Verizon FIOS Quantum Gateway MoCA 2.0 and Roamio/Mini

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  1. thyname

    thyname Well-Known Member

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    Great advice guys, thank you so much to both of you!

    To not mess up with the Quantum router, I simply connected the coax from ONT to the Bolt, and then Ethernet cable from Bolt to router. I already had internet provided to the Quantum Gateway via Ethernet. Installed Verizon FIOS a little over a month ago, and they connected both coax and Cat5e from a brand new GPON ONT to the router. Great to have options.

    I then had Bolt establish the MoCa network, and connected Mini downstairs via MoCa.

    Of course, everything works fine in the past couple of hours, but that's been the case before multiple times, until it doesn't.

    I get solid numbers on Mini for the MoCa (I think). See attached.

    I also checked all connectors and the one remaining splitter I posted here before. Everything is fine, unless there is a coax cable issue inside the wall (very unlikely, as everything but TiVo has worked fine). This is my last hope for the Mini...
     

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  2. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Maybe I'm confused, but doesn't this then make a double MoCA signal scenario on your coax? One from the ONT and one now created by the Bolt? If so they will conflict and possibly heterodyne together and/or cause interference?
     
  3. thyname

    thyname Well-Known Member

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    It is my understanding that Quantum Gateway router creates MoCa LAN not the ONT. Or if ONT creates MoCa for the router WAN, it is in a different frequency than MoCa LAN created by router. If there is no coax going from ONT to router, then there is no MoCa created by the router to conflict anything.

    I know you don't have Verizon FIOS, but maybe somebody who has it can confirm/ clarify
     
  4. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Ok thanks for the info, didn't know that. Yes I don't have FiOS, so my knowledge is only limited to what I recall reading here from others.
     
  5. BigJimOutlaw

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    Correct, the moca WAN is at 1000 MHz and the moca LAN default is 1150 MHz.
     
  6. thyname

    thyname Well-Known Member

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    So Jim, no issues with the setup outline above?
     
  7. BigJimOutlaw

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    Sorry I didn't check back in sooner. I've seen once or twice before where someone's Bolt or Mini doesn't like the Quantum Gateway's moca network for whatever reason. Taking the router out of the equation and letting the Bolt handle it is a perfectly viable option too (and probably better tested by Tivo to work properly). Let us know how it goes.
     
  8. thyname

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    Update: I returned the Mini to Best Buy today, as the problem appeared again this morning. A power cycle of everything (bolt, router, mini) solved for about 2 hours, until it came back.

    One may say that I should have probably exchanged it instead of return, replace coax cables, etc, but I am no longer willing to spend more of my time and effort (and sanity) on this. I have already spent a lot of these. Enough is enough.

    Thanks all for your help. Just my bad luck...


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  9. dslunceford

    dslunceford Well-Known Member

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    OK, I just received a Quantum Gateway Router and after banging my head against the wall to connect my TiVos, Playstations, etc, I just figured out the that NIM-100s are killing my connections.

    I currently have 3 NIMs, each feeding Ethernet to multiple devices (TiVo Mini/PS3/Wii in one location, Roamio/PS4/PS3 in another, TiVo mini/Apple TV in third). It looks like I could replace with the Fios Network extender, but that is pretty cost prohibitive.

    I know the the FiOS Network Extender will work, but very pricey. Any other devices known to work as a NIM-100 replacement?
     
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  10. fcfc2

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    Hi,
    The NIM-100's are MoCA 1.0, a no go with the MoCA 2.0 G1100. The cheapest option for you might be just to go shopping for some old Actiontec W1424WR Rev F-I, not the Rev A-E which are also MoCA 1.0. Here are directions of configuring them, https://www.dslreports.com/faq/15984 (See #2)
    The Rev F-I are MoCA 1.1, Rev F has fast Ethernet ports, Rev I has Gigabit ports but it is a little harder to get configured correctly and costs a bit more.
    The older first gen Verizon WCB3000N "network extenders" will work and give you N300 wireless but only have 2 Gigabit Ethernet ports. (A small switch can be added) These go for about $50+ on Ebay.
     
  11. dslunceford

    dslunceford Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. The good news is I have one Actiontec W1424WR Rev I....it's what the Gateway was replacing.

    I've found another, Rev F for under $15 on ebay, and looks like I can pick up another for ~$20, so definitely better from a price perspective.

    I'm assuming I can then (after following the config steps you linked to) simply use just like the NIMs, but will be able to take the Ethernet switches out of the loop, given the routers have 4 ports each. Does that sound right? Thanks for the tip...
     
  12. krkaufman

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    Yes, correct. (Functionally, that is; I can't vouch for the switch performance relative to a dedicated Gigabit/FastE switch.)

    If bandwidth is a concern, you might want to consider sticking with all Rev-I models, if possible and within budget, to simplify configuration (they'd all be the same) and to ensure maximum throughput (MoCA 1.1 can do 170+ Mbps, theoretically, but the Rev-F, like many other MoCA 1.1 adapters, is limited to 100 Mbps by its Fast Ethernet ports).
     
  13. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    If shopping retail, see...

    MoCA 1.1 [FastE/<100Mbps max] ::

    Actiontec ECB2500C

    Verizon MI424-WR Rev. F [4 FastE ports]
    MoCA 1.1 [GigE/<170Mbps max] ::

    Actiontec ECB3500T [4 GigE ports] (see eBay)

    Actiontec WCB3000N [802.11N dual-band, 2 GigE ports] (see eBay, Amazon)
    Verizon MI424-WR Rev. I [802.11N, 4 GigE ports] (see eBay)
    Standard MoCA 2.0 [GigE/<400 Mbps] ::

    Actiontec ECB6000 (Amazon, 2-pack@Amazon)
    TiVo Bridge [rebranded ECB6000] (see TiVo Store or Outlet, or Amazon)

    Hitron HT-EM2

    Arris/Frontier NVG468MQ Gateway (specs; eBay)
    FiOS Quantum Gateway G1100 (eBay)
    Bonded MoCA 2.0 [GigE/<800 Mbps] ::

    Actiontec ECB6200 (Amazon , 2-pack@Amazon)
    TiVo Bridge Plus [rebranded ECB6200] (TiVo, Weaknees via Amazon, Weaknees 2-pack via Amazon)

    Motorola MM1000 (Amazon, 2-pack@Amazon)

    Trendnet TMO-311C (Amazon, 2-pack@Amazon)

    Zyxel HLA4205

    Actiontec ECB5240M [4 GigE ports] (not available retail)
    FiOS Network Adapter [rebranded ECB5240M]

    Actiontec WCB6200Q [802.11AC, 2 GigE ports]
    Fios Network Extender [rebranded WCB6200Q]; best when paired with the G1100 Quantum Gateway for wireless SON
    MoCA 2.5 [GigE/<1000 Mbps (2000 Mbps shared)] ::

    Actiontec ECB6250 (Amazon, 2-pack@Amazon)

    goCoax WF-803M (vendor, Amazon)

    Kiwee Broadband KB-M3-01L (2-pack@Amazon)
    Kiwee Broadband KB-M3-02L [2 GigE ports] (2-pack@Amazon)

    Translite TL-MC84 [2 GigE ports] (single, 2-pack)

    Hitron HT-EM4 (Amazon, 2-pack@Amazon)

    FiOS Home Router (G3100)
    FiOS Home Wi-Fi Extender (E3200)

    MoCA 2.5 [2.5 GigE/<2000 Mbps (2000 Mbps shared)] ::


    Actiontec ECB7250 (Amazon, 2-pack@Amazon)

    Kiwee Broadband KB-M3-01 (2-pack@Amazon)

    Teamly Digital TDNM250 (availability?)
    NOTES:
    • Estimated rates assume peer node with equivalent or better MoCA spec.
    • Rates also assume multi-node (3+) setups; 2-node MoCA 2.0/2.5 setups may be capable of TURBO mode, boosting shared throughput by 25%.

    p.s. See also... for additional info on MoCA bridge throughput.

    #mocaparts
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    edits: 14Sep2017: Added Kiwee Broadband adapter kit, per tip from @sakaike
    22Jun2018: Updated WCB3000N GigE port qty, and Amazon link
    4Aug2018: Added FiOS Network Adapter (rebranded ECB5240M)
    21Jun2019: Added goCoax 2.5 adapter
    25Jul2019: Removed WEB6000Q. duh.
    3Aug2019: added NVG468MQ
    10Aug2019: added TiVo Bridge Plus
    14Jan2020: added FiOS 3100 Home Router and Extender
    28Aug2020: multiple adds, updates, incl more MoCA 2.5 options
    26Oct2020: added TiVo Bridge Plus from Weaknees (via Amazon)
    1Dec2020: added MoCA 2.5 [2.5 GigE] adapters
    6Mar2021: added Hitron MoCA 2.5 adapter
    9Mar2021: added Kiwee Broadband MoCA 2.5 2.5Gbe adapter
    4Apr2021: added Trendnet TMO-311C
     
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  14. dslunceford

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    Thanks for all the info. I think I'll end up using two Rev I's and one Rev F. Will put the Rev I's at the drops where the game systems are located.
     
  15. dslunceford

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    Well, the eBayer of the Rev F flaked out and never sent, so ended up getting two Rev I's and with them all in the house, I started to replace all the NIMs today, only to have a big fat fail.

    I've set up exactly as specified in the DSLReports FAQ linked above with no luck. The Actiontecs simply aren't seen by the Gateway router, even after going in to the Gateway and manually adding the Actiontec by MAC and its static IP. Feedback seems to indicate that maybe it works with Rev F more easily than Rev I's as the remote router.

    I'm at a loss. I've tried it both with and without disabling the remote routers coax WAN connection and still no luck. Maybe I need to give the Rev Fs a try.
     
  16. krkaufman

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    Have all the NIM-100 adapters been removed from your coax network?
     
  17. dslunceford

    dslunceford Well-Known Member

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    They have not. I tried to install/swap out one location and kept getting fails. Never occurred to me that I'd have to kill the other two NIMs. DOH!

    I'll try that tomorrow. Way to frustrated today...I've been at it since 2:30, reconfiguring the router multiple times...playing with the AV stack (because, you know, I went for the hardest install location vs one of the easier to get to drops).

    Do you know if I have to manually add the Actiontecs once the NIMs are removed, or if the network is automagically supposed to see them?
     
  18. krkaufman

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    Ok, that should give you some hope. I'd read that MoCA 1.0 adapters can outright snuff MoCA 1.1 and 2.0 traffic.
     
  19. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    I do not. (I don't know what you mean by "manually add the Actiontecs.")

    I assume that if you configure the Rev.I routers per instructions then you shouldn't have to do anything special on the main router (the G1100?). The Actiontec Rev.I's should automatically connect to the MoCA network created by the G1100, just like any other MoCA adapters would.
     

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