Verizon FiOS: First 4K broadcast tonight 5/11

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  1. Jun 5, 2019 #61 of 103
    BigJimOutlaw

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    Looks like this is the story:

    Fox has two 4K event channels. Fox Sports 1 and 2. Some other small cable companies have just recently added these channels.

    1498, while not in the guide yet, is showing up as "Fios 4K1".
    1499 is currently blank but that might change.

    Those are the channels for Fios customers to watch.

    Service Electric (depending on which one you're a customer of) has some 4K channels at 801-804.

    RCN's handful of 4K channels start at 1500.

    So 4K cable content is now available outside of Fios too.
     
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  2. Jun 5, 2019 #62 of 103
    osu1991

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    Be nice if Cox added them. I did a trial of Fubo to watch the Kansas race in 4K HDR. Looked pretty good for a stream, other than the in car cameras.
     
  3. Jun 5, 2019 #63 of 103
    thyname

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  4. Jun 6, 2019 #64 of 103
    DigitalDawn

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    RCN's 4K probably won't work with their TiVo service because they use Roamio-based hardware.
     
  5. Jun 6, 2019 #65 of 103
    BigJimOutlaw

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    RCN provides Bolt equivalents around here.
     

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  6. Jun 7, 2019 #66 of 103
    DigitalDawn

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    That's fairly new then. Nice to see. I guess they have started to replace the T6.
     
  7. Jun 7, 2019 #67 of 103
    TonyD79

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    1498 on my fios box says I need a new box for 4K. TiVo shows me a card for France versus North Korea at 3 pm today. 1499 does not tune on fios box. TiVo is blank. No error message. Nothing.

    Sound is messed up on 1498 as I hear TiVo sound effects.

    No guide data for either channel but 1498 shows as a channel.
     
  8. Jun 7, 2019 #68 of 103
    thyname

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    TiVo Bolt+ worked great for the first game today in 4K. Looked very good, definitely 4K Broadcast when compared with regular Hd Fox Sports channel. Although I don’t know how to check the actual resolution on my Samsung KS8500 4K TV.

    Also, TiVo does not have any Guide on this channel yet
     
  9. Jun 7, 2019 #69 of 103
    BigJimOutlaw

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    Today looked good. Bitrate seemed to be a consistent ~21.5

    The card is showing Germany v China Saturday morning at 9 AM.
     
  10. Jun 7, 2019 #70 of 103
    NashGuy

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    Comcast is *finally* offering live 4K with the Women's World Cup. But -- typical Comcast -- they're bitstarving the signal at only 18 Mbps. (Optimally pre-encoded on-demand 4K content from Netflix and Amazon is typically 15-16 Mbps.)

    Comcast Takes First Shot at Live 4K TV | Light Reading

    And, unlike FiOS, they're only offering it via IPTV. (Comcast has repeatedly stated that they will never transmit 4K content via QAM.)

    TiVo Bolt fans should hold onto Verizon FiOS TV as long as they can.
     
  11. Jun 7, 2019 #71 of 103
    wmcbrine

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    Not available in the Roku app?
     
  12. Jun 7, 2019 #72 of 103
    aaronwt

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    And that is how it should be. FiOS does not even have the bandwidth for all their HD and SD channels over QAM.. They look nothing like the did ten or even five years ago. So to be able to broadcast the UHD channels over QAM, the bandwidth would need to be further reduced from other channels, or they would need to just stop broadcasting some completely during the UHD broadcasts.

    Sent from my Tab S 10.5
     
  13. Jun 7, 2019 #73 of 103
    NashGuy

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    Good question. I don't know. But even if they are, that's still managed IPTV. I *think* that Comcast won't serve content to the Xfinity Stream app on Roku unless it's connected to Comcast broadband, allowing the video stream to travel only over Comcast's own network. (That said, the mobile versions of their app, for iOS and Android, do offer access to select content when connected via cellular. But I do know that Comcast says their in-home TV service is managed IPTV, not OTT TV.)
     
  14. Jun 7, 2019 #74 of 103
    NashGuy

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    It basically comes down to a choice of avoiding bandwidth crowding (moving to IPTV) vs. being able to access everything (including 4K) with a retail TiVo (keeping everything on QAM). Sounds like you're voting for the former.
     
  15. Jun 7, 2019 #75 of 103
    thyname

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    How do you check bitrate?
     
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    TonyD79

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    Seems reasonable. However, 1498 is on 243MHz, which according to charts at dslreports has no mpeg4 HD. Not sure what is on that frequency, but it wouldn’t impact the majority of Fios’s HD channels. I doubt they would put it on a frequency with mpeg2 HD since those are pretty inefficient. Either they opened a new frequency or they are battering SD channels. They did just take down all the SD channels for the sports packages. I doubt that is a coincidence.
     
  17. Jun 7, 2019 #77 of 103
    aaronwt

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    I've already voted with my wallet. I switched to watching most of my broadcast content from streaming sources. Strictly because the FiOS HD video quality has become so bad over the last few years.

    If the FiOS HD video quality was still like it was five or ten years ago , I would have stayed on the Ultimate HD tier. Instead of dropping down to the Custom TV tier.

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  18. Jun 8, 2019 #78 of 103
    BigJimOutlaw

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    The easiest way is kmttg. It shows an average bitrate for recordings.
     
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  19. Jun 10, 2019 #79 of 103
    Bigg

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    I really hate to defend Comcast, because what they do to their HD channels is horrible and inexcusable, BUT they may well have better and more efficient encoding than other providers. They have a LOT of encoding horsepower, and are able to get very efficient encodes.
     
  20. Jun 11, 2019 #80 of 103
    NashGuy

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    Eh, maybe so. I just know that 18 Mbps is the lowest bitrate I've ever heard of for live 4K.
     
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