Value of Tivo HD vs Fios HD DVR ?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by Tivo_60, Feb 16, 2008.

  1. Tivo_60

    Tivo_60 NY State of Mind

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    I don'y know of any Tivo that will do that. My Tivo HD is 30 min pause per tuner.
     
  2. lqaddict

    lqaddict New Member

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    The pause forever is only true for the recorded programs, not for the time shifted TV.
    This is correct.
     
  3. pilotbob

    pilotbob New Member

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    Yes... Here is a list of my "justification" for the TiVo over the FiOS DVR (previously posted on the tampaHD forum.)

    First, I was with FiOs so I had the Moto box. After the guide update I could barely record 12 hours of HD on it. So, what "I" get from TiVO that I wasn't getting from the FiOS moto box, basically in priorty order:

    1. The ability to expand the capacity. I have added the 500Gb extender. (This was the main reason I went to TiVO.)
    2. Actually only recording first runs and not repeats.
    3. Recording a second showing of a show if it missed the first time due to a higher priority show. (This works great for recording Daily Show, Colbert Report, Atlantis, and BSG... shows that repeat later.)
    4. Clipping so that a show will record even if another show overlaps it by a minute or two (based on priority).
    5. A "To Do" list so I can see exactally what TiVo plans to record and change if needed.
    6. Season Pass priorities.
    7. Auto-record wish lists.
    8. Any easy way to copy shows from TiVO to my PC.
    9. History so I can see why a show wasn't recorded.
    10. Scheduling Records from a web browser anywere.
    11. Direct access to Amazon Unbox (for VOD movie rentals).
    12. TiVo casts

    Comming with the next update of TiVO desktop in March:

    1. The ability to subscribe to a Video Cast via RSS and push it to the TiVo automatically.

    BOb
     
  4. Tivo_60

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    Thanks Bob for the input. BTW, on the Moto box (and Tivo too I suppose), if you record the max HD hrs does that mean zero room for SD programs or is it HD max PLUS the SD max ?
     
  5. pilotbob

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    On either machine there is 1 place to store stuff. So, on the FiOS box after I had about 12 hours of HD on the machine it would have to delete something to record something new. This just wasn't enough space and I didn't have time to watch my shows before new ones were deleteing them.

    (My wife would be upset because "I" deleted the shows she liked.)

    BOb
     
  6. Tivo_60

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    Geeez...and that box is rated @ 18hrs HD. The Tivo is 20hrs HD and I can fill that in a heartbeat. Looks like the 500gb add on is in my future.
     
  7. pilotbob

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    Yep, I ordered the 500GB extender the day after I ordered my TiVoHD (once I read on the FAQ here that the Seagate 750GB I ordered wouldn't work without hacking the thing). It's great. Plenty of room so far (Then again there has been a writers strike).

    BOb
     
  8. TexasGrillChef

    TexasGrillChef New Member

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    I will say this about that....

    Owning a TiVo isn't about saving money. Period.

    Now with that said. That doesn't mean you can't save money, or that some people don't. For SOME people. Buying a TiVo IS the less expensive route.

    Owning a TiVo is about owning the best DVR with the BEST features & capabilities possible.

    If all you care about is MONEY, They STAY with the FIOS DVR & DON'T buy a TiVo. PLEASE.

    If you want to have the BEST DVR experiance possible. Get the best features, capabilities & "toys" that a DVR can provide. Then PLEASE buy a TiVo.

    TGC
     
  9. pilotbob

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    I never read that the OP wanted to save money. He was asking, out loud, the same question we all ask ourselves whenever we buy anything.

    Why is X more expensive than Y... and is the difference worth it "to me"?

    For example, should I buy a 720p projector or a 1080p? Well, if all I watch is broadcast / cable TV then paying extra for the 1080p probably isn't worth it to me. But, if I want to use my Xbox/PS3/Blu-Ray at their best resolution then 1080p is what I need, and paying the extra is worth it.

    BOb
     
  10. lew

    lew Well-Known Member

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    Most of us missed a key point in the OP. The FiOS HDDVR is on back order and the OP wouldn't be able to get one for several months. The real comparison is tivo vs NO HD DVR for two months.

    Previous posters already listed most of the advantages of the tivo. Add to the list tivo has better guide data then the Verizon. Do a search, tivo uses Tribune and Verizon is currently using a different vendor.

    Pre-pay for 2 or 3 years of service and the tivo cost drops.




     
  11. Tivo_60

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    Exactly Bob !

    BTW, I've been using the Tivo in trial mode for the past week and I really like the ability to record two OTA channels at the same time. As Craig Furgeson
    would say (raising fist) "take that Moto box!"

    Fios install is about 10 days away, if I can ever get 2 csr's to quote me the same prices.:mad:
     
  12. Tivo_60

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    Speaking of money, Verizon just lowered the cost of the HD DVR to $15.95/mo (when it's available), but increased the CC's to $3.99 ea/mo. Maybe they're trying to discourage the Tivo option ? I edited my OP to reflect the changes.
     
  13. bwbates69

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    Hi All

    Been a lurker here for awhile and have a few questions dealign with FIOS and Tivo.

    I was a DirectV Tivo customer for years and love the 3 D* boxes I have. But when I decided to finally upgrade to HD I was doing some research and suppoeably the only HD Tivo box for D* suppoeably won't handle the new HD channels. So when they finally isntalled FIOS TV(had internet FIOS for a few years) I signed up for it about a week ago. I do enjoy the FIOS TV itself, but as others have mentioned the DVR is SLOW in comparison. And I also signed up for the HD DVR's but as the OP mentioned they won't be avaiable for 1 or 2 months. I also found out from the installer, as has been mentioned, that the HD DVR only supports like 12 hours of HD and 20 hours of SD. Which meant I was utterly lied to by the rep who showed up and mentioned the FIOS HD DVR held 100 hours of HD programming. Anyways, I am supposed to receive a $200 Circuit City gift card and I figure I could put this towards an TiVo S3 or TivoHD. Assuming Circuit City sells them.

    Anyways a few quesions for those who are using Tivo with FIOS.
    1. The SD DVR they gave me only uses one coax input but still handles 2 tuners(i.e. uses the same coax cable). My question is if I pick up either hte S3 or TivoHD and get cablcards(from the sounds of it m-series are not available so I will need 2 of them), does that mean I will need two coax inputs then? Not really a problem since the setup from my DirecTV had two coax hookups so the wires are still being run there.

    2. Since with TiVo you are using their guide, have you ever had any problems with the guides not being accurate on TiVo's side. i.e. shows starting a early or late a minute or two but Tivo not catching this so you etiher miss a few minutes from the beginning of s show or end.

    3. Do either of the Tivo's(TivoHD or S3) support the On Demand feature of the boxes. My FIOS tech, who actually was really honest with me(he was even ready to cancel the order with me after I told him the sales rep told me the HD DVR's held 100 hours and he corrected me on that). Anyways, the FIOS Tech mentioned that the cable cards don't support On Demand and the Widgets feature of the TiVo boxes(plus some other things). Is this true?

    3. Did the Verizon people have any problems installing the cable cards into your Tivo. The tech I had, who seems very knowledgeable, mentioned that people didn't like the cable cards and that he woudl have to go out remove the cards and install bxoes. However, he mentioned this was mainly for TV's that were cable card compatible and the only Tivo owners he had hooked up were just connecting their TiVo to a standard set top box(he wasn't sure if they were using an IR Blaster or serial connection to get the TV and Set Top Box to communicate).

    And as for what Tivo unit to pick up, the Tivo HD or S3. From what I gather the S3 has a bigger Hard drive, fancier remote, and allows for multiroom viewing. Is there anything else that is different?

    Any input would be appreciated.
     
  14. Tiyuri

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    The FiOS Moto DVR isn't very good but there is no reason to make things up about it to make it seem worse...



    This is an option with the FiOS DVR

    Technically the FiOS DVR can do this for shows like The Daily Show that don't use the new/repeat flag but it is tedious to set up.

    It has this. Scheduled Recordings I believe they call it.


    Series Manager allows you to set priority for each show.
     
  15. bkdtv

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    No, only one coax input is needed to support two tuners. The requirement of two coax was a satellite-specific requirement.

    No. TiVo's guide data provider is Tribune Media, which is as reliable as it gets. DirecTV also uses Tribune.

    Yes, that is true.

    No box but Verizon's own will ever support their VOD. Verizon uses their own proprietary implementation of IPTV for VOD so there is nothing TiVo or anyone else can do to support it. TiVo's next-generation Tru2Way box will support VOD with other cable providers, but even that won't be able to support Verizon's VOD.

    Verizon has tried to push CableLabs to add IP capability to the OpenCable / Tru2way standard -- which would allow such boxes to support their VOD -- but they've haven't made any progress at all in that effort. Clearly other cable companies have no interest in making things easier on Verizon.

    Some Verizon installers are more experienced than others when it comes to CableCard installs. It's really the luck of the draw. If your installer does not have experience with TiVos, then make sure they follow the bundled instruction sheet.

    Functionality on both units is identical.

    Both the TivoHD and TiVo Series3 support multiroom viewing. Multiroom viewing is just faster on the TiVo Series3 with the current software. MRV performance may improve on the TivoHD with a future software update.

    TivoPony (the Tivo rep on this forum) has said that the next software update for the TivoHD and TiVo Series3 is coming any day now.
     
  16. bkdtv

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    The poster was likely referring to the reliability -- or lack thereof -- of the first-run information on Verizon's Motorola DVR.

    Verizon uses FYI Television as the guide data provider for their boxes. That provider is notoriously unreliable when it comes to first-run information. Verizon is under contract with FYI through 2008.

    In the course of one year with the FiOS' Motorola DVR, I missed over 30 series recordings. Perhaps 10 or so were missed due to completely wrong information in the guide, whereas the rest were missed due to improper flagging of first-runs as repeats. The FiOS Motorola DVR also recorded numerous repeats when I had first-run only set.

    In the six months with the TivoHD, I have missed zero episodes.

    The Verizon DVR won't reschedule a recording for a later episode if it is not in the guide at the time of the initial conflict.

    The Verizon DVR does not keep a recorded history of what did or did not record due to conflict. In contrast, TiVo keeps a record of programs that did and did not record for 28 days, and will continue looking for a missed episode even if no guide information exists for a re-airing at the time.
     
  17. Tiyuri

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    DIfferent experiences for different people. I had the Verizon DVR for about 10 months before I moved to a non-Verizon area. It never missed a recording.

    That is true. However, for shows like the Daily Show it will record the next showing because TDS does not flag new/repeat.
     
  18. bwbates69

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    Thanks for the informaiton I do appreciate it.

    One more question though. Do you need a phone line hooked up permantely to the Tivo with FIOS Cablecards, or can it communicate fine just using the cards?

    Thanks!
     
  19. bkdtv

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    TiVo hasn't required phone lines in more than five years.

    But the TiVo does require a network connection to download guide data. If you have a wireless router, you can use TiVo's 802.11g wireless adapter. Or you can run an ethernet cable directly to your ethernet router.
     
  20. Tivo_60

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    Actually, it's a choice. The Tivo will download guide data via phone line if you wish. That's the way I do it.
     

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