Using the 3.0 (Un)support for broadband

Discussion in 'TiVo Underground' started by gleffler, Jun 1, 2002.

  1. LisaD

    LisaD New Member

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    Please help me. I'm ignorant to this and if someone could decipher/sum up this 6 page thread for me - I'd be very appreciative. I was going to post a new thread for people like me, but I didn't want to hog the boards.

    I have a Sony SVR2000 SA. I have AT&T cable (net & TV). I have a Netgear router. I have a 15ish port hub. I have various rooms of the house hardwired to my cable modem & the above. I have RJ45 ports near my Tivo. I have an extra D-link USB adaptor. I have a phone line to my TIVO spaning 20 feet in the house that I'd LOVE to get rid of. Hubby doesn't know how to create/move the phone jack.

    Questions:

    1) Am I to understand there is a way to hook my Tivo to my system to be able to minimally eliminate that darned phone cord?

    2) If the above is correct; Do I need to purchase anything else to make this work?

    3) If I can pull this off; What other benefits would I gain besides eliminating the phone cord? And to get these benefits, would I need to buy the Turbonet/Tivonet deal?

    I guess I'm just looking for a little help - or a summary of this because right now, you guys are pretty much doing the equivalent of speaking in tongues. :)

    Lisa
     
  2. stormsweeper

    stormsweeper How *you* doin'?

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    You'll need TurboNet. Once you get the 3.0 TiVo update, you'd just plug it in and use the ,#401 dial prefix.

    Main benefit is losing the cord, and not having the phone line used. Secondary benefit is that "calls" take much less time.
     
  3. LisaD

    LisaD New Member

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    Well, that's pretty much a bummer. It sounded too good to be true so I pretty much assumed I read it/understood it wrong. :(

    So I have to spend $70 bucks for a turbonet card. I could probably get someone in to create a better located phone jack. Or just deal with it till we remodel.

    So then the only advantage to 3.0 with this is it is simply easier to install right? I have 3.0 and got all excited that I could pull this off with my existing system. :(
     
  4. LisaD

    LisaD New Member

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    Whoa! I just looked at Otto's FAQs on this.

    At the beginning, it says: "How to setup Tivo 3.0 to talk to Windows XP via Serial PPP -
    The usefulness of this is clear: it lets you do your daily calls over your high speed internet connection without getting a TivoNet or TurboNet card."

    Stormsweeper - I think I read your post incorrectly. I took it to mean that if I had 3.0, the install would be much simpler (just use the 401 prefix).

    LOL - I told you I was ignorant! Back to reading comprehension class for me! Now - Assuming I already have 3.0 - Can I pull this off with the various hardware/system (as stated above) without buying anything? I don't need to buy the Turbonet card. Correct?
     
  5. bwiley

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    No, you really don't need a special turbonet card unless you really want it.

    I am using my Tivo over a serial connection with a null-modem cable and Windows 98 dial up server to connect over the internet.

    With as much hardware as you described having and your obvious interest to tinker and hack with the Tivo, I don't think you would have any trouble setting up your system in a similar fashion.
     
  6. Otto

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    Lisa:

    Perhaps a concept explanation would help.

    The idea is to eliminate the need for the phone line. To do this, the Tivo will connect to TivoHQ over the internet. In order for this to occur, the Tivo must have some way of talking to the internet. This takes two basic forms:

    1. Give the Tivo an ethernet device and route that to the internet.
    2. Have the Tivo talk to a computer and have the computer route the communications to the internet.

    Method 1 = TivoNet/Turbonet/USB dongle on Series 2 boxes

    Method 2 = Serial PPP to a internet connected computer.

    With Method 1 and 3.0, installation is damn near trivial. The 3.0 software has built in drivers and can recognize the card when it's put in, get an IP via DHCP, and the ",#401" code tells the Tivo to make the daily call over that ethernet connection instead. Then it's just a matter of having your network setup right.

    With Method 2 and 3.0, it's easier than it used to be, but not as easy as with method 1. You need to connect the Tivo's serial port to a serial port on a computer, which then will route the communication off to the internet. That 3.0->XP HOWTO I made shows one way to do it. There are others.

    Hope that helps a bit.
     
  7. LisaD

    LisaD New Member

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    Thanks. I think I understand. But having a huge thick serial cable running to a laptop probably isn't going to add to my quality of Tivo life. Unless I keep it semi-hidden and just plug in here & there.

    I guess I need a Series 2. :( Too bad because I just bought this around Christmastime.
     
  8. spankspank

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    CAT5 can be used for serial data.
     
  9. stormsweeper

    stormsweeper How *you* doin'?

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    Or you can just get TurboNet. If the aesthetics of having a phone line and the annoyance of having a computer nearby are too much, shell out the money. It's $75.25 + shipping for the turbonet and a small patch cable and whatnot.
     
  10. bwiley

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    Huge thick cable??

    For the serial connection, I am using 3-10' sections of 1/8" stereo cables connected to the serial cable that comes with the Tivo connected to a gender changer and null-modem adapter into the back of my computer.

    The cable for serial is not really thick or obtrusive at all. In fact, you could have it set so that one of the female ends of the cable could be on the floor near a wall or something (the other end connected to the back of your Tivo) and then just connect the male end into that whenever you were wanting to initiate a ppp connection?
     
  11. kyiakr

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    I was trying to connect my Tivo to my broadband connection today and did everything I was supposed to do but the test call was failing. I used the browser based utility to look at the DHCP setup on the router and discovered that I could view the "DHCP Clients Table" where my PC was listed with its I/P address but no other devices were listed. Then I realized that the number of DHCP users was set to 1. I changed it to 2. I unplugged the ethernet cable that is connected to the Tivo via the adapter from the router and plugged it back in. I viewed the DHCP Clients Table again and refreshed the screen a couple of times and voila ! another device showed up in the list. I tried the test call again. it was successful and was done in the blink of an eye !

    Thanks for all the great info that allowed me to do this quickly and painlessly.

    I have been "lurking" around" the forums since February and finally decided to get one of my own. I have only had my AT&T Tivo which I received pre-upgraded to 140 hours for a short while and I have fallen in love with it. Can't figure out how I lived without it ! I am so happy that I am on my own TV watching schedule instead of the networks.
     
  12. bobb929

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    Yeah, I was having the same problems with getting the "Service Unavailable" message after getting the 3.0 update. Since everything was working up until yesterday I didn't think that I would have any problems - just ,#401 right?

    After ~30 minutes of bashing my head against the wall, I realized that the problem was my router. I had a link light and activity, just no go. The problem was I couldn't get an address from my DCHP because the update had changed the MAC address of my turbonet card. My wireless router doesn't let me turn on MAC filtering for just wireless access so I have to turn it on for both. Turned it off, checked the log, got the new MAC address and VROOMM! I feel kinda dumb.

    For those who don't know what a MAC address is, it's a semi-unique hardware address that identifies network interfaces. The reason that it never occured to me that this was the problem is that for most devices the MAC is not changeable. After some thought, I do remember blowing by a MAC address setting back 2 months ago when I first got my card.

    I hope that someone can benefit from my folly...
     
  13. mogwai

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    For them that care, here are my dumb mistakes with a Series 2, a LinkSys cable/dsl router, a garden-variety USB ethernet adapter, and how I fixed them.

    Dumb mistake #1) Failure of hope versus logic in trying the call without a reboot. (I know, already covered in these posts).

    Solution: (TiVo) Messages & Setup | System Reset | Restart the Recorder

    Dumb mistake #2) Turning on obscure router settings in my giddy excitement when I first got the router, and then forgetting about them.

    DHCP was setup okay--on and giving out the required number of addresses. But the DHCP address starting point I had instructed it to give out was outside of the range of addresses that I had exempted from the requirement to use Zone Alarm/PC-Zillin in the "Security" tab of of the router configuration.

    Solution: Either turn off ZoneAlarm enforcement altogether, or make sure that the range of addresses you allocate for DHCP (DHCP tab) is exempted here. Note: It has been said before and bears repeating: if your router has a Wireless Access Point included, you may wish to make sure that you are allocating the minimum number of DHCP clients necessary, and enable WEP encryption of either type to help prevent your network from becoming easily joinable by anyone with a wireless card.

    Side note: I did not have to enable anything involving UDP port 123 to get the call to work.

    Best of luck,
    mogwai
     
  14. shallowpockets

    shallowpockets New Member

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    You can using my little hack, but it only makes sense if you have the extra hardware laying around (already using a Linux box for PPP and it has a spare serial port) and you don't want to open up your Tivo to install an ethernet card.

    http://www.bdt.com/david/tivo/gateway.html

    Just follow your favorite FAQ for getting PPP working, then follow the instructions in the link above to get DSS control via serial working again.
     
  15. Mars

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    Traverse...
    NEW QUESTION, I've set up the 3.0 ppp connection and have it working with Windows 2000. It only sucessfully connects when I force a call in, never on a scheduled call on it's own. Is this a manual connect only or is something not quite right?
     
  16. Laserfan

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    I think there are two other options that have not yet been mentioned:

    1. Find another husband--installing a new phone jack is not that difficult.

    2. Look into those "extension phone via power outlet" gizmos.

    Idea 2 may be scoffed-at as I think some people have succeeded though others have had trouble. Idea 1 may I think be your best bet, but resist like heck any thought of allowing one of us Tivo nerds to approach you--none of us has a real life!!! We all live for our toys!!! :D
     
  17. jonb

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  18. Unclegeek

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    I'm one of those feeling really foolish right now... I ran THE SCRIPT!!

    Now what?

    I have a couple things I've gleened from the thread to try tonight when I get home.. (allow more than one DHCP client, check the rc.arch file contents)

    I have 3.0 now.. daily calls broke.. pulled the hard drive and mounted it in the PC under linux boot cd.. ran the tivonetfloppy script.

    I can ping & telnet to the Tivo now.. I added the ,#401 dialing prefix.. enabled DHCP on the LAN.. rebooted.. test call fails.

    How do I undo what I did by running the tivonetfloppy script? How do I restore the 3.0 ethernet drivers if that is in fact what I clobbered?

    Thanks for the help..

    Unclegeek
     
  19. shnozyee

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    I am appealing to Otto or anyone who can help clarify this for me (a tivo newbie)
    I have a series 2 ATT, 3.0 upgrade and Mac (although I could get virtual PC to work on it if necessary).

    My only goal in life right now is to be able to edit the titles on my Now Playing screen (to archive some of my son's videos).

    Can this be done with the system/computer I have now?


    :( :confused:
     
  20. Otto

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    shnozyee: No. Not yet. Tivoweb lets you do this, but S2 units haven't had the BIOS cracked yet to let you modify the kernel to disable initrd.
     

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