Using nudity to help establish a series

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  1. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey


    Proving my own point, aren't I? :)
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  2. zalusky

    zalusky Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Apr 5, 2002
    Cupertino, CA
    One other observation. Once we learned smoking was bad for you they used to use smoking as a way of distinguishing the lower/upper and criminal/law abiding classes in movies and TV. As smoking has faded, I see language as a replacement in your face cheap trick to do it.
  3. MScottC

    MScottC Well-Known Member

    Sep 11, 2004
    "Ain't I!"
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  4. gschrock

    gschrock Active Member

    Dec 27, 2001
    holt, mi
    I used to almost never curse, and really didn't until I was in college. Even now, I use it far more than I used to. Part of it's context though, there are certain areas where I don't do it at all, and certain areas where it's far more common, really depends on who I'm about and what we're doing.

    I wouldn't say it's common in my workplace (which is in academics, I work around a lot of faculty members at a university), but it's also not unknown. And I do have one faculty member that man, if you get her going on a topic, let's just say she's pretty fluent in cursing. I think the first time that happened when I was around I almost keeled over in shock, because I never expected it from her.
  5. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey


    But one thing I don't do, even when I need to curse, it throw the F curse into every sentence. You see that so often on TV, like they are making up for lost time. I remember one episode of Suits (where they didn't use the F curse much if at all) that when they were suddenly allowed to use the S*** word, they put it in like every sentence. In fact one time one of the main characters said something like, "It's S***, S***TY, S***, S**T." And is colleague responded with "Yeah, it's really S***, S***, and so forth. It was really obvious to me that they were just using the language because they could.
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  6. mattack

    mattack Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    I only read the first page then jumped here.. so I see this was mentioned.. The language on 'basic cable' has gotten WAY more coarse over the past few years. The "s word" is commonplace nowadays, and it was a HUGE deal when 'er' was allowed to say it ONCE on an episode in the late 90s or early 2000s. They also say the 'd' word often too, though that one shows up on broadcast too.

    e.g. The Daily Show has swearing nowadays.

    Edit: Yes, I know cable isn't covered by the same FCC rules, but at least the commercial basic cable channels tended to de facto follow the same rules.
  7. dwatt

    dwatt Well-Known Member

    Jan 11, 2007
    I find it funny that breaking bad and better call Saul on AMC was allotted one or two f words a season so they used him sparingly and made them count but Yellowstone on Paramount uses the same word at least a dozen times an episode this season.
  8. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

    Apr 17, 2000
    I remember True Blood was like this. They still had some nudity later on, but it was a lot less prevalent in later seasons.

    I wonder if after a series gets popular the actors are just in a position to demand less/no nudity?
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  9. DouglasPHill

    DouglasPHill Cynical old guy

    Feb 10, 2005
    St Louis, MO
    Maybe the actors, being older, don't look as good nude in later seasons. :eek:
  10. gchance

    gchance 4 8 15 16 23 42

    Dec 6, 2002
    Olivehurst, CA
    It used to be that way with cussing in the 80s. In Robocop the tipoff to know someone is a bad guy is they cuss. The second Bob Jones opens his mouth you think ahh, bad guy.
  11. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    That's my theory, which I mentioned up thread. Once the actors are "famous" enough to say no, they can. As I mentioned with GoT, Emilia Clark was nude almost every episode the first season, and hardly at all later on. And even later on, there might have been a body double. There certainly was one for Lena Heady in the famous "shame" scene.
  12. Squeak

    Squeak Well-Known Member TCF Club

    May 12, 2000
    Columbus, Ohio
    I think that was absolutely intentional to get husbands to watch the show with their wifes.
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  13. mattack

    mattack Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    Though as a counter-example, while I think the swearing is "excessive", I actually would rather have that than bleeping most of the time. Except for a live show before 10PM, I think bleeping should basically never be used. Especially when sitcoms nowadays intentionally have swearing and them bleeping AND BLURRING THEIR MOUTHS, it's stupid. Either have the swearing or use different language.
  14. lambertman

    lambertman Chris Lambert, man

    Dec 20, 2002
    I'd be more inclined to agree if it didn't happen near the end of the episode.
  15. Squeak

    Squeak Well-Known Member TCF Club

    May 12, 2000
    Columbus, Ohio
    Really? I think everyone will watch a show once, right? That was the "OMG!" hook at the end to get them to watch the next episode.
  16. zyzzx

    zyzzx Go Bucks! TCF Club

    Jan 22, 2002
    Love on Netflix and Red Oaks on Amazon Prime had first-ep nudity and then little to none after that.
  17. Amnesia

    Amnesia The Question

    Jan 30, 2005
    Boston, MA
    "Delivery person" I get (though I don't think I've ever used the phrase). But "doctor"? You're suggesting that we now use "doctor" for both male and female doctors when previously we used....what exactly?

    The new word choice I use most often is "server" instead of "waiter" or "waitress"---except for cocktail waitresses; that's still a thing.
  18. tivotvaddict

    tivotvaddict CreativelyChallenged

    Aug 11, 2005
    In front of...
    I didn't mean to imply that different words were previously used for male and female doctors. I was giving an example of how a profession uses a non-gender-specific term.

    I like "server."
  19. ej42137

    ej42137 Well-Known Member

    Feb 15, 2014
    Los Angeles
    The feminine of doctor was "doctrix". But it was obsolete before there were any female doctors to speak of.
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  20. Lenonn

    Lenonn Member TCF Club

    May 30, 2004
    The only instances I can think of:
    The pilot, as mentioned elsewhere, had the full frontal nudity of Sha’re in its Showtime and DVD/Blu-Ray version and forced on the production by Showtime. Of course this was edited out of the Final Cut version and is cut out of the two-part syndicated version.

    There is a brief nude appearance of Daniel Jackson (with Michael Shanks’s arm strategically placed) at the beginning of the season seven two-hour premiere, “Fallen”/“Homecoming” (and it is reused in a later clip show). Comet airings blur most of Shanks.

    Sam Carter appears post-coital without clothes but covered in sheets in season seven’s “Death Knell”.

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