Using nudity to help establish a series

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by DouglasPHill, Aug 8, 2020.

  1. tlc

    tlc Active Member

    May 29, 2002


    I've always assumed this. When it's major characters, they're in a better position to say "no". I also assume that nudity sells, so many execs like it.

    But why a show like Ballers dropped nudity, IDK.
  2. zalusky

    zalusky Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Apr 5, 2002
    Cupertino, CA
    I would say though that the two nude scenes with Emilia in GOT were probably more important than all her other scenes in the whole show in that they represented her transition from being submissive to being a peer level with powerful males. I almost don't remember the nudity as much as I remember that character transition. Now the big question is if they started GOT season 1 in 2020 would it be the same as it was in 2011!

    I haven't seen Westworld yet so I can't comment on that.
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  3. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    Often, nudity is gratuitous and the same scene can be done without it. Being that it's on a channel that shows nudity writers have free reign to use it, so they do.

    Not sure what your point is in the bolded. If that's a politically correct statement, sorry but here's the definition of "actress"

    actress definition - Google Search

    It fits. But I get that it's politically correct to call them actors. I use "actor" when the sex of the actor doesn't matter and actress when speaking of just a female actor.
  4. tivotvaddict

    tivotvaddict CreativelyChallenged

    Aug 11, 2005
    In front of...
    Language evolves. The more modern usage is actor, regardless of the gender of the person, just as we use doctor and delivery person. But, I wasn't trying to call you out on your language. :) I was simply trying to point out that the male and female actors are doing the exact same work and thus should have the similar expectations of what is required nudity wise.
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  5. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey


    Agreed, though it the past it seemed that female nudity was much more common. But that definitely seems to be changing.
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  6. JYoung

    JYoung Series 3

    Jan 16, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Was Ballers the series that got "MeToo"ed with allegations that the lesbian showrunner was very aggressively pushing nude scenes and explicit sex scenes on the actors?
    Or am I thinking of another show?
  7. RickyL

    RickyL valar morghulis

    Sep 13, 2004
    I see this is almost every non-network product. From the Expanse to GoT.
  8. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

    Jul 24, 2003
    15 mins...
    Whenever I see the Nudity warning at the beginning of a show nowadays I pretty much expect it to be some dude's butt. This is NOT progress! :p
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  9. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    Well, it most certainly is progress.

    I guess the question is, do you think progress is a good thing? ;)
  10. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

    Jul 24, 2003
    15 mins...
    I'm of two minds of this. The ending of the sexual objectification of women solely to satisfy the prurient interests of men is a good, timely and necessary thing.

    But I miss it. :p
  11. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    What I always come back to is, how much of the nudity we see today is necessary to tell the story and how much is just to titillate us into watching? Today is "anything goes" TV, where outside of the major OTA networks anything goes, especially where advertisers are not involved. Is it better writing just because we can see everything? I'm not so sure.
  12. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

    Jul 24, 2003
    15 mins...
    Almost no nudity or sex scenes are needed. They could always imply what was going to happen but envelopes exist to be pushed but now women have enough societal clout to push back.
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  13. lew

    lew Well-Known Member

    Mar 12, 2002
    NYPD Blue got attention with partial limited nude scenes the first few years. Talked about alot.
  14. Howie

    Howie Out of Pocket TCF Club

    May 3, 2004
    San Antonio
    Yeah, Andy Sipowicz had a great butt.
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  15. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    True, but if I remember the scene correctly it could have been done without that scene. It was for pure shock value, to create a buzz for the show and get ratings. Hence, unnecessary.
  16. madscientist

    madscientist Deregistered Snoozer

    Nov 12, 2003
    Lexington, MA
    We got Hulu for a month for something I forget, and now we're watching Future Man before it runs out. Contrary to the theory here there seems to be more nudity as the show goes on (we're halfway through season 2 now). However, it's all male full frontal. Which is not my wheelhouse particularly, but doesn't bother me. And, it does serve the "story" (or at least the humor).

    The interesting thing about male full frontal (for sure in Future Man) is it's (almost?) all prosthetics. For the squeamish it might help to remember that :)

    I agree nudity is not required for most storylines but if they're going to show people in bed / getting up I wish that they wouldn't have them wearing underwear. Fine, have them get up with a blanket or sheet or towel... it's not very realistic (unless it's a new relationship) but whatever. Or, use a bathrobe or cut away or use particular camera angles to avoid nudity if you want. But wearing underwear is so stupid... it's almost like the 50's/60's shows where the parents slept in separate beds. Just lazy directing.
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  17. DouglasPHill

    DouglasPHill Cynical old guy

    Feb 10, 2005
    St Louis, MO
    I remember watching HSB and a hooker (I think) was standing on the other side of a bed from the camera and bent over to remove her underwear and the camera zoomed straight in on her butt. I couldn't think straight for weeks.
  18. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
  19. Hoffer

    Hoffer Eat Lightning ----- Poo Thunder TCF Club

    Jun 1, 2001
    Twin Cities, MN
    I assume someone has already said this. Does nudity still draw people into watching a show? There are like a trillion pieces of nudity on the internet. Surprised anyone would care about it in a TV show.
  20. gchance

    gchance 4 8 15 16 23 42

    Dec 6, 2002
    Olivehurst, CA
    A lot of things bug me about nudity portrayal, especially with TV, and this is one of my peeves: if the viewer THINKS that's you naked, you may as well be naked. At that point it doesn't matter.

    Another peeve: cable & streaming shows have so much nudity these days to the point where it's come to be expected. In a show where 99% of the cast is or has been naked, whenever there's a scene where you would expect someone to be naked and they aren't, it takes me right out of the story. Sort of the opposite of the past when the nudity would take you out of the story, now it's like, "Ooh, looks like they have a no nudity clause" or "that guy has a contract saying he'll show his butt as much as they want but no peen".

    Yet another: the classic "we just had sex but when I sit up I'm covering my breasts with this blanket". Does anybody do that? Again, it takes you right out of the story. But for me, it's more realistic if people on tv are like reality. If you portray someone taking a shower, or changing, or having sex, they're bound to be naked.

    And what's up with these people who suddenly are having sex with their clothes on? I have more of these if you like. ;)

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