USB C - what works and what doesn't

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream 4K' started by pbb_memphis, May 13, 2020.

  1. Niners

    Niners New Member

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    This $6 powered combo USB C/micro USB hub powers the Tivo Stream from the USB C port.
    Using only the USB C port it provides the Tivo Stream power without having to power on the Tivo power adapter.
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SZTHPPR/

    The Tivo Stream did not recognize the embedded 10/100MB ethernet port on this hub. However, when I plugged in a USB 2.0 ethernet adapter to the USB port on the hub the Tivo Stream did use the wired ethernet from the connected USB ethernet adapter.

    I was also able to connect and use a USB flash drive and a keyboard with this hub.

    Note that the hub's embedded ethernet port does work with a Fire TV 4k using the micro USB connection. The Fire TV 4k recognizes the embedded ethernet port and in Google Wifi it specifics the hub's embedded ethernet port as "Eureka Dongle".
     
  2. Narkul

    Narkul Active Member

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    What USB ethernet adapter did you use?
     
  3. Niners

    Niners New Member

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    The ethernet adapter that worked is a Lenovo USB 2.0 Ethernet Adapter Model U2L 100P-Y1. It was an extra ethernet adapter I had from an old laptop.

    I have several USB C ethernet adapters that I haven't tried yet with this hub.
    They could be used with a USB C to USB adapter.
     
  4. vurbano

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    Ive tried a few and i am tired of buying them.
     
  5. EvMan

    EvMan New Member

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    Well I got the bright idea since I was playing around with the SMAYS USB hub to experiment. I plugged an old 8GB USB thumb drive in and Tivo formatted it no problem. So I knew the hub was working. Since Niners said he got an Ethernet adapter working plugged into his hub I figured let me try it, except all the Ethernet adapters I have currently are USB-C. Then I thought what about the UGREEN hub with Ethernet that’s USB-A. Plugged it into the SMAYS hub after it said storage disconnected/reconnected Ethernet now works. Admittedly this is not ideal setup but just kind of happy that I got Ethernet somehow.

    Not sure what this means, someone more familiar with these devices may be able to infer something. But it just doesn’t seem like the Tivo knows a hub can be an Ethernet adapter too. Could there be a hidden setting in Android that needs to be turned on?
     
  6. Niners

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    Per my earlier comment on the $6 hub I did confirm that one of the USB C Ethernet adapters I have works with this hub using a USB C to USB Adapter to plug the USB C ethernet adapter into the USB A port on the hub.
    The specific model I confirmed works is the Techkey USB C Ethernet adapter:
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07XLLTL7V/

    Even though the embedded ethernet port on this hub C hub doesn't work with the Tivo Stream the main benefit for me with this hub is that it provides power via the Stream's USB C port and doesn't require use of the Tivo Stream power plug.

    This allows me not to have to utilize a power plug on my Wifi enabled surge protector since the hub and Tivo Stream can be powered by a Wifi enabled USB 2.4A port on the surge protector power strip.

    Per post #122 on this thread the $6 combo USB C/micro USB hub used is:
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SZTHPPR/
    The KMC surge power strip I am using to plug this hub into the wifi enabled USB 2.4A port is
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07G2WXK3N
     
  7. newappz

    newappz New Member

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    Simple working solution: UGREEN 3x USB-A ethernet adapter, 16GB USB-A 2.0 flash drive plugged into adapter, MicroUSB OTA cable, MicroUSB power to OTA one end - ethernet adapter to OTA USB-A - other end of OTA to MicroUSB to unit MicroUSB. (Flash drive working in unit USB-C port with USB-A to USB-C adapter, but not the ethernet adapter)
     
  8. leiff

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    My UGREenNetwork Adapter That I bought for my nintendo switch works fine with my ti vo stream accompanied with that two dollar black cable the splits the micro USB port for the power wall wart. When I went to Amazon to look at my order history I noticed its the older generation of this device now selling for $16 on Amazon. Where on Amazon's product page scroll down and there's a newer generation for $1 more. currently
     
  9. Lenonn

    Lenonn Member TCF Club

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    Plugged in a 128GB Samsung flash drive (Duo Plus USB 3.1) directly to no avail - it isn’t being detected.


    Brings me back to the early days of USB when everyone referred to it as “plug and pray”.
     
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  10. vurbano

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    havent gotten any 3.0 or 3.1 flash drives or micro sd readers to work. I believe it wants FAT32 and that format isnt on the higher capacity drives. I do know for sure that the 128GB Sandisk Cruiser Glide works (FORMAT FAILED ON THE NON GLIDE VERSION). I have 3 of them working on 3 tivo stream 4K's. what perplexes me is the ugreen ethernet/usb hub and OTG cable. I could only get it to work on one device and I think that may BE because I had it hooked up when it was first turned on. Its the only reason I can come up with????
     
  11. Talyn

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    Format isn't the problem, I've tested NTFS and exFat formated drives and they read just fine. The real issue is anything going through a hub or the usb-c port is super flakey. The most reliable results are if a drive is connect directly to the micro usb OTG (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0826QR2RJ) cable without a USB hub.
     
  12. vurbano

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    The drives I tried were connected to USB C port and it is super flakey. The only one that showed communication for me was a very expensive thunderbolt 3 / USB 6TB G technology drive. The only other drive I have gotten to work on the USB C port were small flash drives. My plan is to use the USB C port for a 128 GB flash drive and a USB HUB with ethernet on the OTG cable. That is enough for apps and occasional local recording. I believe the device would wear out a hard drive with constant access so I am thinking of doing some streaming to them with plex from an Nvidia SHield Pro unit with hard drive and plex server app
     
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  13. Lenonn

    Lenonn Member TCF Club

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    It would help if TiVo itself provided any information. Trying to figure out what works shouldn’t be this difficult. Again, USB is supposed to just work, right?
     
  14. Twendel

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    Some notes from my trials for what they're worth.
    I have had solid performance in USB C for a single 128GB Samsung EVO select in a no-brand adapter from amazon. TS4K recognized the drive, and formatted it as system storage. A couple weeks with no problems, and enjoy recording in Live Channels.
    I also had no trouble powering the stick with USB C input, thought it has appeared to me that the stick is finicky about charging amperage -- too much or too little amps, and boot loops. ??
    Tried some USB C mini-docks with video, audio, ethernet. With each, audio output vanished on the stick/ethernet, I assume in deference to the dock's audio. USB drives worked, but not ethernet or video.
    Got a couple old ethernet adapter/hubs to work (both AX88179 chipsets), but only over the TS4K micro usb input, AND only by daisy chaining from another hub (see Niner and others above). But the performance was lacking even though I have gig ethernet; I get better throughput using wifi.
     
  15. rczrider

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    I'm sure TiVo doesn't support add-ons, though, so why would they provide a list of things that work? You bought a streaming device advertised with AC wireless...they never claimed it supported Ethernet over USB or expandable storage.

    USB is "supposed" work in the sense that it's a standard, but support for the dozens (if not more) chips out there that drive hubs, adapters, Ethernet, storage, etc is a complicated thing. People think that because the vast majority of things work with Windows or MacOS, that's how it is for these purpose-built, limited-resource devices.

    EDIT: that said, if the Mi Stick 4K does in fact come with a USB-C power port, I would expect it to support power pass-through and more USB-C devices.
     
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  16. Twendel

    Twendel New Member

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    TiVo does represent the USB-C as capable of several things:

    "The list below contains some peripherals and components that can expand the capabilities of your TiVo Stream 4K.
    • Storage drives, such as USB-C flash drives
    • Game controllers and other peripherals
    • Wired keyboards and mouse
    • Ethernet adapters to connect to a wired Ethernet network
    If you have a device with a USB-A connector, such as a keyboard and mouse, and want to connect these to your TiVo Stream 4K, you can use a USB-A to USB-C adapter."
     
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  17. rczrider

    rczrider Active Member

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    Interesting...that's new-ish. Original posting date was 5/20, updated 5/29. A lot of folks like me ordered long before then, on/around 5/6. I certainly never saw them advertise the USB-C port as anything.
     
  18. vurbano

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    they really should put out a list. guessing is expensive.
     
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  19. Lenonn

    Lenonn Member TCF Club

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    You are right. They never advertised it. I noticed the port when I opened the device, inquired on Twitter and was told:
     
  20. Alex_7

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    are your apps running on the external samsung evo card running super slow for you? my apps on my flash drive run super slow.
     

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