Upgraded software = screwed tivo

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  1. Puppy76

    Puppy76 Well-Known Member

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    It would be great if Tivo's had enough logic on a ROM chip to let them connect to the service and download a fresh install, in a worst case senario.

    Regarding's Microsoft's "Patch Tuesday", they started doing that so they could manage the bad news associated with their patches. This way they get hit about once a month rather than having more frequent news stories in the main-stream IT press. Their patches haven't been any better, and their haven't been any fewer security problems, but it manages perceptions.
     
  2. ZikZak

    ZikZak Neurostim Addict

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    You're demonstrating a poor understanding of the principles of probability. You can't go back after the fact and say "this is impossible because the chances are so low." In fact, that the chances are nonzero indicates that it is, in fact, possible, and that you should not be surprised after it happens.

    The chances are low. I'd say that the chances are about the proportion of the disk taken up by the inactive partition. Let's be ultraconservative and say that if you get a bad sector, chances are approximately 1 in 1000 that it happens there. And suppose that in one year you have about a 10% probability of a hard drive problem.

    Therefore, the chances of you having your partiular problem are 10% of 1 in 1000, or 1:10,000.

    Dude, there are millions of tivo owners. That 1:10,000 chance translates to many thousands of users with your issue simply by random chance.

    Suppose you won the lottery. Would you give the money back, claiming that your chances of winning were so low that the fact of your winning was impossible?
     
  3. dgh

    dgh New Member

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    I'm dealing with it fine. TiVo will do just about anything for anyone who makes enough noise. That's been shown on this forum for years. You want half off because your name has a vowel in it? Complain enough and you'll get it!
     
  4. shagnscooby

    shagnscooby New Member

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    Hey Donnap
    What is instantcake and where do i get a copy. This is my first time i will upgrade my tivo. It is a series2 with a 40gb hard drive. all it does right now is shows "welcome powering up". Any help would be great.
    Thanks Shag
     
  5. JohnnyTivoguy

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    I too have a seeminly dead hard drive in my series 2 Tivo. Technical support at Tivo was absolutely horrible (no surprise.) It is unreasonable for tivo tech support to not give any explanation, recommendation, or support for an obvious flaw on their end. After only hearing "it will be "$150 dollars" from tivo to "fix" my "failed drive" I came across these forums and discovered that I was not the only one having sudden issues. I pulled my hard drive and installed a working backup disk image gotten online and "LIKE MAGIC" my tivo managed to startup past the almost there screen.


    My hangup now however is that I don't have a phone line (or vonage, etc.) to get past the guided setup process. I have tried the ,#401 trick with no success. Any help would be greatly appriciated!

    I have a Tivo Series 2 240080 and I connect to a wireless network using a lynksis wireless b usb adapter. I reloaded a 7.x backup image gotten online. Would a newer image such as the 7.2 have the option to select a broadband connection to connect to work?
     
  6. dtreese

    dtreese New Member

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    JohnnyTivoguy, ,#401 only works for wired connections. You'll need to either buy a usb-ethernet adapter and temporarily use a cable or find a friend with a phone line. Once you get the software upgraded, you can use wireless.
     
  7. greg_burns

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    Yes, you need 7.2.0 or better.
     
  8. greg_burns

    greg_burns Now in HD

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    That I didn't know! That explains a lot. Thanks. :up:
     
  9. quickbuyman@hotm

    quickbuyman@hotm New Member

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    Upgrade killed My Toshiba TS-TX20 too!!! It would have been nice if the software engineers came up with an option as if >We wanted to install the upgrade or not as the upgrade had nothing I cared for like 1 button delete!! Seems like this upgrade caused a lot of havoc & the persons defending tivo & the upgrade,Your story would be different if Your tivo unit was destroyed by this useless upgrade.Instead of bashing the posters why dont You try to help instead of Your whinning criticism?
     
  10. greg_burns

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    Tivo must have everyone on the same software rev. Otherwise support would be a nightmare.

    Who is this post directed at? Have you checked you harddrive yet for errors? Jeez! :rolleyes:
     
  11. Moebius

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    Not there...
    As the old saying goes "You catch more flies with honey". You might notice that most of the threads that degrade such as this one are started by a poster who claims TiVo Stinks, or the programmers are idiots, or any other such flame. Most people around here, despite being around to try and help, are fans of the product and take exception to such comments. Go to a Mac forum and start a post saying Apple Sucks because your laptop stopped working and see what kind of replies you get. In alot of these threads, people who did try and help were brushed aside by OPs who were too busy complaining about things to listen.

    The thing to look at is numbers. Yeah, this update does seem to have caused havoc with quite a few people. However, there are tons more for whom it went over without a flaw. So the odds that these are just HDD problems that cropped up during an OS update are actually not that astronomical.
     
  12. greg_burns

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    http://www.ptvupgrade.com/products/instantcake/

    And for gosh sakes download the right version. :D ;)

    "All TCD240 Models (7.1b-01)" if a 240 model
     
  13. Puppy76

    Puppy76 Well-Known Member

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    No, I can say for a fact I would *NOT* "have a different story". The upgrade didn't kill your Tivo. The drive was going to die anyway. Just be glad you can replace it much, much easier than other consumer electronics (if you want to). You're not going to get much sympathy by attacking people :)
     
  14. JohnnyTivoguy

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    I've heard that some of the wired usb-ethernet adapters don't connect even when using ",#401" Can anyone recommend an adapter that works well and where to buy it? Thanks!
     
  15. greg_burns

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    I've done it with my Linksys USB200M v1. Unfortunately, those are hard to find (v2 are more common). And v2 is not supported at all until 7.2.2. :rolleyes:

    If I were buying a wired adapter today, I would get a Netgear FA120. That one is highly recommended on this board. Will it work with ,#401? Not sure. Anybody else?
     
  16. lajohn27

    lajohn27 Fanboi.. So what?

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    For wired adapters I love mu D-LINK-DUB-E100's.. been flawless since day one of putting them in action and I think I paid like 28$ for them.

    J
     
  17. JohnnyTivoguy

    JohnnyTivoguy New Member

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    Okay I've loaded the 7.2.2 software image onto my tivo drive and "cleared & deleted evevrything" and then succesfully ran through the "guided setup." Everything with my tivo seemed to be back in working order except now I cannot record anything and in system info it says:

    "recording capacity: variable, up to 0 hours"

    The tivo buffers the channel that you are one just as normal but I just can't record anything ha! Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks in advance!
     
  18. greg_burns

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    Are you sure the image you got online was for your model of Tivo?

    Save yourself the hassel, and just buy a copy of instantcake to get it running again.

    Of course, instantcake is not going to be at 7.2.2 already. They do have 7.1b for the 240 models.

    Do you need to be at that level? 7.2.0 has broadband support for guided setup. All 7.2.2 adds (that is important here) is support for USB200M v2.

    Guess I answered my own question. I mistakenly was thinking InstantCake sold an image at or above 7.2.0. Looks like they don't. :thumbsdown:
     
  19. gregpg

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    I've owned computers with hard drives since 1992 and never had one fail after 3 or 4 years. I replaced my last computer after 8 years only because the hardware was too out-of-date to upgrade cost effectively. Are the new high capacity drives less reliable than older drives?

    Regards,
    Greg
     
  20. JacksTiVo

    JacksTiVo TiVo User since 2001

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    The hard drive in a TiVo is subjected to significantly more use than a similar one would experience in a desktop PC. Remember, the TiVo hard drive is always being written to since there is a 30 minute program cache of the show to which your TV is tuned. So it is writing & reading 24/7 unless the TiVo is unplugged from the wall outlet.
     

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