Upgrade From Roamio to Edge...World of Difference?

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  1. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    Well maybe but now I see the Tivo website has changed. It says 2 tuners. And they don't show the 4 tuner model as being out of stock. I hadn't checked in a month or two.

    I guess it looks like the 2 tuner model is the new thing.

    As Nash said above, a lot of the OTA competition is 2 tuners. Even the 4 tuner Recast is really only 2 tuners because it can only record 2 shows at once maximum. (the other 2 tuners are for playback only.) OR so I read.


    I was thinking Tivo was pointing to inventory still available in the marketplace as a placeholder.

    Anyway ...given the website changes I gotta change my mind on what's going on.

    It looks they have gone to a 2 tuner model only and are going to let others sell the product. Possibly they just don't have it listed for sale directly on Tivo's site yet because they don't have enough inventory yet.

    Also can't help but think they will do some future new OTA product with the STream. I mean Sling's similar dongle supports OTA. But that's a tangent for another day.
     
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  2. pfiagra

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    All-In service is purchased from TiVo for $250, so just add that to the total sticker price.

    therefore, it’s ~$350 for a All-In two-tuner or a total of or $500 for a four-tuner (before they’re gone) with All-In added on.
     
  3. dbpaddler

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    You're seriously recommending to someone who's cut the cord to pay for Hulu and CBS all access to watch free OTA? I can appreciate your analytical side to some of this back and forth, but that just makes zero sense.

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  4. dbpaddler

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    Which is why you just get an all in roamio on ebay for $200.

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  5. pfiagra

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    that is another option, but it is tangential to the topic of upgrading to an Edge
     
  6. connie_w

    connie_w Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Tablo has a 4 tuner. I might look into that.
     
  7. dbpaddler

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    Sorry, but no. Considering the op has a Roamio and is very happy with with it, it's completely relevant.

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  8. dbpaddler

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    Silicone Dust HD Homerun Quatro. 4 tuners. You can get either for about $150 or less, but the tablo will be a refurb which is no big deal. Both then require a separate drive. You can go internal on the tablo or USB 3.0 on either. Suggest the latter if you're exploring options. The plus for the tablo is the dvr aspect is built into the box. The hdhomerun requires a computer running the server software.

    I was always against the media pc thing, but lately it seems pretty simple, and a little celeron mini pc can do the trick or an Intel based Nas (only a single drive one is needed). Intel is best because it makes viewing away from home easy.

    I went the hdhomerun route and am using an old laptop right now and just the built in ssd. But I have an old 1gb green drive and a USB 3.0 enclosure ready to go.

    I did choose channels dvr to go with the quatro tuner. You get a free trial, and then it's $80 per year. For 6.50 a month, I don't mind it. Tablo does have a lifetime option. I've been on the Channels forum a lot since I'm a researchaholic.

    For in home viewing, Channels does not transcode. You get the original mpeg2 feed or recording which is nice. Don't need to go anymore compressed than what the stations are already doing. If you want to view out of the home, then it will transcode (why Intel is needed) for bandwidth purposes.

    The server is simple to setup, and it's the only program on the laptop. I turned off sleep when plugged in and the screen is off and the lid is closed on the laptop. So it's nice a dn compact. Will ultimately put the server part in the basement. Nice and cool and out of the way.

    The channels app is very nice, and the developers are constantly upgrading it. If you want to tinker you can run the beta or alpha app. Can have all three versions on your device if you like.

    I use the tivo stream 4k, and it runs well with even the remote buttons being geared towards the channels app so you get Live, Guide, commercial skip, a number pad and page up/down with the channel button while on the guide.

    Tivo broke hardware decoding with the last update, but you can choose software decoding as a temp workaround. Not all live channels apps have that option, so they're hosed at the moment.

    Commercial skip works for every show. Season passes are there with the ability to extend recording time before and after.

    They have all sorts of tabs for favorites, HD and so on so you can pick how you want to view channels. The graphical interface is nice, much nicer than tivo in that you can see avatars of the shows when you're roaming through other options than just the typical guide.

    I never thought I'd want to go that route, but I'm becoming a convert. I haven't tried tablo because I read things weren't as pretty, and they transcode like the recast. I've got a 135", 100" and two normal tv's. I want every ounce of resolution and quality I can muster on those bigger screens.

    I sold half of my tivo hardware. More than paid for the quatro tuner and drive enclosure and a few years of channels dvr. And now my TV and streaming apps are coming from the same box, same input, and in case of my one TV, no separate device is needed.

    With the hdhomerun tuner you also can use a bunch of different guide options including their own or you can run plex, and I think a couple others.






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  9. pfiagra

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    how is it relevant to tell the op that they should upgrade to a roamio when they already have a roamio?
     
  10. dbpaddler

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    It's more they don't need to upgrade to the Edge. They like their Roamio, and the Edge doesn't really address any issues the op is having because as stated, they're pretty happy with it. It's not bringing more to the table outside of some speed in the grand scheme. It takes a step back on tuners and the drive.

    So since there is no reason to really upgrade, if their current roamio dies, they're better off spending less and getting another roamio off of the bay.

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  11. pfiagra

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    I understand that, but that’s not what you posted
     
  12. dbpaddler

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    I didn't post any detail and simply expanded because you thought it was necessary to question it.

    Bottom line is the Edge isn't an upgrade on most counts so there isn't a reason to upgrade if they're happy with their Roamio. The ONLY reason to entertain new equipment is if their Roamio dies which is where you stating pricing becomes relevant.

    And at that point the Edge is still not worth paying more than a used Roamio. Unless you just must have the fastest device out there and must have a warranty.

    You're spending more to be stuck with:
    -spending more money
    -dealing with te4 and preroll adds
    -less reliable drive size with less options to self upgrade
    -two less tuners (unless you can still get a 4 tuner, but then refer to the first point anyway)
    -still needing a separate streaming device for the unsupported apps.

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  13. pfiagra

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    what I initially questioned was your recommendation to someone with a roamio was to replace it with a used roamio from eBay. I’ve simply been replying to what you posted, not what you intended to state.
     
  14. justinw

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    Going back to the OP, I did exactly what was said. I went from a Roamio Pro that worked flawlessly to a TiVo Edge and couldn't be happier. My only 'complaint' is I've had a couple (like 2-3 since March) of random reboots. Now with that said, I DVR shows, watch Netflix and Amazon Prime. The Netflix and Amazon prime apps are lightning fast compared to the Roamio and for me, it's even faster than the Roku stick I have.

    On another note, don't assume anything about selling your old Tivos. I sold my Roamio Pro on ebay. I had to send it across country, from the east coast to the west. When it finally arrived, the buyer uploaded photos to ebay of the unit being smashed in at the bottom. It was damaged. I have been buying and selling on ebay since 1999, and never had an issue like this. I thought this one was one of my better packing jobs. So just like that, I'm out my $300 that was suppose to fund a chunk of my new Edge. I told the buyer to keep the thing since I didn't even want to pay $20-$30 to have it shipped back to me. I still wonder if he took a hammer to it, but how can you prove that? Plus with all the ebay fees, paypal fees, shipping, this fee, that fee, etc. it's hardly worth selling anything on there anymore. So yeah, don't take anything for granted if that can be my advice. Oh and by the way, the buyer never showed me pictures of the actual box (just the Tivo unit) even though I had asked 3 times, and he got the box transferred to his TiVo online account after I specifically called Tivo and told them NOT to authorize any transfers of that box. But yeah... anyway.. sorry got off topic for a second.
     
  15. NashGuy

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    Virtually everyone who "cuts the cord" subscribes to at least one streaming service. And, yeah, a huge part of the appeal of Hulu and CBS All Access are the primetime broadcast network series that they offer. (That said, a growing number of Americans, especially younger ones, I'd say, aren't much interested in any of the series offered by ABC, NBC, CBS or Fox but instead care about what's on Netflix, Prime Video, Disney+, HBO Max, etc.)

    Talk to 100 people who have either never paid for cable TV or who have left it and I guarantee you that you will find paid subscriptions to Hulu and/or CBS AA to be WAY more popular than usage of OTA DVRs, which have their own up-front hardware costs along with technical complexities, difficulties with OTA reception, and ongoing (or lifetime) service fees.

    As I said, OTA DVRs are a niche product category and always will be.
     
  16. connie_w

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    Oh, that sucks about the box your sold. Did it have the right serial number on the box he showed you?
    Man, I just don't buy from ebay myself because I've had horrible luck the 2 times I did try getting something on ebay. I know, lots of people have great luck, but I got pretty soured on it years ago. I also wouldn't sell on it, either.
     
  17. dbpaddler

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    It's one thing to subscribe to a streaming service to "augment" your OTA experience. It's an entirely different thing to suggest buying into two streaming services mainly for the OTA channels you cut the cord for in the first place. Again, the point was dumb. This isn't about your personal thoughts on where the market is headed. Don't even know why you're bringing it up as it has nothing to do with wanting to watch broadcast TV.


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  18. dbpaddler

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    That does suck about your roamio sale. I just sold my Bolt and for two days the tracking info just showed that I created the label while the Mini I dropped off at the same time was at its destination post office. I was about to be really ticked that the post office lost it. When I was on my way to the post office the next day to follow up, I brought up the tracking, and it just all appeared and was out for delivery. Talk about relief. Since I wasn't buying a new tivo, it was funding my bike frame :)

    Hope insurance helps. Did they show a pic of the box and packaging too?


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  19. justinw

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    Yes, the box that the buyer showed in the pictures had the serial number. Yeah no pictures of the packaging even though I asked for them.

    As far as insurance goes, that is another story. For some reason, when I made the label thru Paypal - UPS did not let me link that to my UPS account. I called them and tried to get a claim process started, but was told I could only do that online. I couldn't even speak to a person at UPS at the time due to COVID. So then I emailed UPS, and after 3 days, they told me that they couldn't help me and to file the claim online. I explained that is what I was trying to do but their system wouldn't let me. I got so frustrated I just gave up.
     
  20. dbpaddler

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    That's really stinks. I would call ebay and have them ask the buyer for pics of the packaging before they refund him. How do they know it didn't arrive perfect, and he dropped it while trying to do whatever with it? Not to mention its technically needed to show UPS when filing a claim. Not that they need to know you're getting screwed there too.

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