Upgrade From Roamio to Edge...World of Difference?

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  1. tenthplanet

    tenthplanet Well-Known Member

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    But it will be about consolidation in a shrinking market and how much things will cost.
     
  2. NashGuy

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    You actually sometimes find 4 different things worth watching on OTA channels at the same time? I've honestly never experienced that.
     
  3. connie_w

    connie_w Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    At times, yes. There are times when at least the major networks, ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX have shows I want to DVR, all at the same time, or staggered so that I need several tuners. Plus there is the CW and sometimes something on PBS or another channel
    I may be interested in.
     
  4. phone man

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    With the introduction of every new piece of Tivo hardware I have tossed around the idea of replacing our 2011 Premiere OTA with lifetime. Though it's tempting, I've never seen enough incentive to make the change. Smart Tvs or a Roku handle our streaming. The HD on the Premiere looks great, I have no reception issues with it and I've always used a splitter for the TV tuner so in the event of two shows recording at once I can still watch a third. It's to the point now where I want to find out just how long this Premiere will last. So on we go....
     
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  5. dbpaddler

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    I've had three on more than one occasion. It's only once or twice a week, but it still makes it necessary. And last I checked, they are charging a premium for a new device that has less tuners, uses less reliable storage and still doesn't account for all the popular streaming services. Why would I or anyone pay a premium for a new product that didnt really address the issues of previous products and took a step back from ALL previous OTA capable products going back 3 generations by chopping the tuners in half?

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  6. dbpaddler

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    Last I checked, this product is not part of that market. The market for these types of devices that utilize larger drives are specific and necesary. They are more reliable with the larger drive, period. Choosing to follow market trends that have nothing to do with your product for no benefit but to save a few pennies to the detriment of the customer is just dumb.

    Maybe it doesn't matter for uneducated customers, but their market is already trending down. Why further dig the hole by not doing what is necessary to make a quality product? The more you lose the educated customers, the more they do to educated the uneducated ones and elad them to other options. At least that's how I work when people come to suggestions. My last customer I setup with tivo is my last customer I will setup with tivo, and have been recommending to them to dump tivo instead of invest more money in equipment because their viewing habits aren't supported by Tivo's new products.

    Would love to know the ratio of used lifetime devices sold on eBay compared to new devices sold. And take it one step further, the number of roamio's sold there compared to the new Edge.

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  7. pfiagra

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    The 2-tuner Edge was originally Just marketed to Canada. More recently, these are being sold to the US by Channel Master.

    The TiVo Edge for Antenna sold in the US is a 4-tuner model. These can still be found for sale, but not in TiVo’s site. They may be found on Amazon and recently Channel Master Outlet has been selling open box 4-tuner Edges on eBay.
     
  8. connie_w

    connie_w Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    I don't see anything about a Tivo Edge 4 Tuner OTA at Channel Master nor Amazon. They all say 2 Tuners
     
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    While it was originally that way, it's no longer the case, and the only "current" option is the two tuner that isn't even sold by tivo. You get redirected to CM's site.

    So while you can still find the 4 tuner model, once it's gone it's gone. And it still doesn't address the other issues, 2.5" drive, no real updated app support, and the Kicker, preroll ads. Forgot to mention that before, and there is no way to roll back to te3 so you have to bug tivo all the time about removing them.

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  11. dbpaddler

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    It originally came out as a 4 tuner model. Techhive review.
    TiVo Edge review: A once-great DVR in decline

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  12. NashGuy

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    Very strange that the Edge OTA is now being sold exclusively via ChannelMaster. Wonder why? TiVo obviously has their own online store. Seems that more folks interested in buying a TiVo would naturally come to their own site rather than CM's.

    That might have been the case for me several years back but I've found less and less worth watching on the broadcast nets with each passing year. I'm down to one scripted series that I watch on any of them -- ABC's The Goldbergs -- and I can always catch up on that on Hulu (with better picture quality) since the entire series lives there. (And I'm guessing the next season will be the show's last. It's time.)

    I now pretty much just use the broadcast nets for news shows, occasional live sports, or just to channel surf (although I find Pluto TV to be just as good or better for that these days). PBS does have a good bit of quality stuff, but then if I want to watch something from there on demand, I typically just use the free PBS app rather than record it from the local station.

    My guess is that TiVo decided that most cord-cutters interested in an OTA DVR are like me -- we just don't really need more than two tuners. So they simplified their production lines and marketing by going with just a 2-tuner Edge OTA.

    I also noticed that CM sells this device exclusively with lifetime service included. At $350, the pricing is competitive with Tablo.
     
  13. connie_w

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    I still find plenty to watch and record. It is ridiculous if that is what they think. Just because you don't like more than the Goldberg's doesn't equate to everybody else.
    I DVR all the Chicago series (PD, Fire, Med) I DVR the Good Doctor and many sitcoms besides the Goldbergs. The Seal Team series, all the NCIS series, Greys Anatomy and tons more, Bull, The Blacklist. I'd have to go look at my One Pass to recall more as I've just about watched all of them during this long summer hiatus. I cannot stand to watch tv without skip mode any more. I also use the quick mode on some shows. In short there are plenty of shows on regular antenna tv to keep me interested in more than 2 tuners at a time quite often.
     
  14. dbpaddler

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    Have no clue why tivo does the things it does. Maybe ChannelMaster wanted some synergy to sell hardware and gets a cut of the sales. Their Stream is pretty limited. So now they have a basic offering and a full featured one.

    And it's kinda dumb to just assume that because there are less channels, there is less likelihood to use more than two tuners at a time. Just cripples their product and forces people to look elsewhere.

    My HD homerun quatro and Channels DVR has been working for me fairly well so far. Will be selling more of my tivo equipment soon.

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    Sure, I'm just one person. But my guess is that a great majority of OTA tuners/DVRs sold by Tablo, HDHomeRun and TiVo are 2-tuner, not 4-tuner. Obviously, TiVo wouldn't have switched to only a 2-tuner Edge OTA if they thought there was more demand for the more expensive 4-tuner model.

    As for network TV, just look at its ratings over the past several years. It's going down, not up. More and more viewing keeps shifting to streaming. And even if network TV shows are your bag, well, you can see ABC's, NBC's and Fox's shows on Hulu. CBS's are on CBS All Access. And The CW's and PBS's are on their own free apps. Meanwhile, the latest season of CW shows hit Netflix, HBO Max or CBS AA (depending on the series) shortly after the season ends.

    I've had some kind of OTA DVR for several years now but it's a niche thing and always will be, I think. And the more expensive an OTA DVR is, the fewer takers it's going to have, given that it's necessarily appealing to folks who don't want to buy cable TV service. I bet hardly anyone bought a 4-tuner Edge OTA plus lifetime service. What was TiVo charging for that back when they sold it?
     
  17. NashGuy

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    No, it's just simple math. I guarantee you that the average person who has a DVR and a full lineup of cable channels will make use of more tuners than the average person who just gets local OTA channels.

    My guess is that TiVo is losing the OTA DVR competition now to Tablo and HDHomeRun. And as TiVo pares back their commitment to retail DVRs, they just can't justify making and selling two different models of their OTA DVR. So the choice is whether to sell a 2-tuner model or a 4-tuner model. And their experience/research tells them that most cord-cutters would rather spend less money on a 2-tuner OTA DVR than more money on a 4-tuner model.
     
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  18. connie_w

    connie_w Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Still, you don't know that. You cannot skip ads unless you pay $$$ per month on those and then it just isn't the same. Not nearly as nice on an of those services. I've used them at friends homes and have the cheap Hulu myself because it's included with Sprint. It's not the same at all. Trying to push people away from Tivo? That's not good.
     
  19. trip1eX

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    I think it is corona related. The supply of many other products has also been affected by corona.
     
  20. connie_w

    connie_w Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    You may have a very valid point with this. A lot of things are hard to get right now. From home appliances, to mattresses to certain flavors of sodas in cans are all scarce right now. Very good point.
     

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