Updating Without Phone Or Wireless

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  1. gdoggg

    gdoggg New Member

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    Is it possible (hack or no hack) to update your tivo without using a phone line or wireless adapter? I have both but I have satellite internet (Hughesnet) and it's not compatible for updating Tivo (all other wireless features work fine) and my phone line was recently "injured" (I think) by a storm. With that said, it seems I'm out of luck until I can get DSL (maybe in October but who knows with the phone company) unless I buy another Tivo box (which I'd rather not do).

    I've had Tivo for 3 years and was able to have the lifetime subscription but it seems that may be on the skids now.

    Any information would be of helpful
     
  2. stevel

    stevel Dumb Blond TCF Club

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    You can use wired Ethernet or PPP over serial to a PC, but I'm puzzled that the wireless is not working for you. I don't know of any method of getting guide data that does not involve either a phone call or a network connection.
     
  3. magnithead

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    Question when you say "network connection"? I, too, have an issue without a land-line as I am potentially purchasing a HR10-250 or HR20 HD unit. I currently have a hacked tivo model (non-HD) which updates just fine by satellite. Is there a hack out there to install in one of the aforementioned HD units? Or, will they update via a wireless router through high speed internet, via USB? Any input would be appreciated? Thanks -
     
  4. stevel

    stevel Dumb Blond TCF Club

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    The DirecTV DVRs, including the HR10 and HR20, get all their guide information from the satellite. The phone connection is optional. The HR10 will nag you if the phone is not connected after 30 days, and needs a phone call when first set up, but otherwise can do without it. The HR20 does not require a phone line at all (though both need a phone line if you order PPV using the remote.)

    On the HR10, it is possible to "hack" it to disable the nag message, and I think also to get around the requirement for the setup phone call.

    The HR10 can also be hacked to enable the network connection for your home network use, it cannot be used for anything requiring use of the TiVo servers (such as remote scheduling), though much of what standalone TiVos can do you can also do with hobbyist software.

    The HR20 has an Ethernet jack for connection to your home network. Currently it can be used to view music and photos from your home PC, much like TiVo's feature. No hacking is necessary. Perhaps in the future the network connection will be used for something else.

    Visit the Underground section of this forum if you want more info on modifications to the HR10. Visit www.dbstalk.com for discussions about the HR20.
     
  5. HVYMTL

    HVYMTL New Member

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    I have tried running my Dishnet DVR 522 over a VoIP. It does not appear to work out of the box, but maybe someone's been more determined thenme and figured it out? I have tried extensively to get fax to work over Hughesnet with various results. The issue appears to be lantency during the handshake session. If one could introduce some pause and delays within the handshake connection procedure, I think a fax, or DVR box cold use VoIP for the connection. If your wanting to try it out, you will need a hardware based VoIP box. I use Net2Phone, and do not use Vonnage, it will not work for VoIP on Hughesnet.

    Tom
     
  6. magnithead

    magnithead New Member

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    thx, stevel!
     
  7. Lynnicus

    Lynnicus New Member

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    I believe I know the problem with Tivo systems not being able to do an update over the Internet (Error N17) when using HughesNet or any other ISP (wireless or otherwise) that does transparent proxy on port 80 (normal web traffic, or http).

    Recently my father-in-law asked me to take a look at the problems he's been having with his system. All Internet services were available to his Tivo EXCEPT the updates.

    The problem I found was that his ISP (Nebonet.com) had implemented a transparent proxy. His public IP address when visiting http://www.whatismyip.com (http => port 80) was completely different than the public IP address displayed when accessing a site via https (port 443).

    Some services (and apparently the Tivo update servers are included) compare the incoming public IP addresses from the two ports as part of the authentication process. Since the source public IP address of the proxy is returned for http traffic, and its different than the source public IP address returned for the https traffic, it was breaking the authentication to get the updates.

    The work around for the services I'm familar with (that require the source IP addresses to be the same for both http and https), and that worked for my father-in-law, was to get the ISP to assign a static public IP address for the end-user's Internet connection, and then have the ISP route traffic so that any port 80 traffic coming from that specific IP address, does NOT get directed through the transparent proxy.

    Hope that helps.
     
  8. gastrof

    gastrof Hubcaps r in fashion

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    Why did you resurrect a thread that was nine months old?
     

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