Updates on the new DIRECTV TiVo

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by tivoupgrade, Feb 11, 2009.

  1. Dec 6, 2011 #941 of 1039
    HiDefGator

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    That is the same lease charge for any new DVR from Directv. If you have been with them for some time you may be offered a better deal than that if you call.
     
  2. Dec 7, 2011 #942 of 1039
    sloan

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    Where are all the people who were ready to burn directv to the ground when the HR10-250 (directv/tivo hd-dvr) was being phased out for the HR-20 (directv-non-tivo-hd-dvr) ?

    :) :confused:

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  3. Dec 7, 2011 #943 of 1039
    Wil

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    <raises hand>

    The DirecTivo in its day was a wonderful piece of entertainment hardware. It was a good mix. Had progress continued normally from the HR10-250 without Murdoch's crapping where he ate, we would have had a better entertainment experience over the last several years and been in a better place today.

    As it happened, though DirecTV has been successful, a substantial number of those who would be their customers today have gone elsewhere and neither the DirecTV nor the new Tivo/DirecTV DVRs are positioned to be long term factors in this space.
     
  4. Dec 7, 2011 #944 of 1039
    sloan

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    Yes, but the mirroring fee applies whether you have a directv-non-tivo-box, or a direct-tivo-box.

    So, at the end of the day, the difference between:
    (whatever setup you had with a directv HD DVR setup)
    and a
    (directv-With-Tivo-setup hd-dvr)
    is still:
    $5/month.
    (( And the initial startup costs for the directv/tivo unit ))


    If you ~already have a directv-non-tivo-hd-dvr, then it'll be an extra $199 (one time) to swap out your existing unit. (Assuming you are ~replacing your existing unit, not adding extra units to your account)

    If you don't already have a directv-non-tivo-hd-dvr, then it is the same $199/machine (one time) cost to get any directv-hd-dvr (non-tivo or tivo capable). (Or if you are adding an extra box to your account, you'll have to pay this $199 one-time-fee for a non-tivo OR tivo-capable hd-dvr).

    So practically, if your intention is to ~replace your existing directv-non-tivo-hd-dvr, then you'll be shelling out an extra $199 (before incentives). And that only makes sense if you really really love Tivo.

    If you're somebody who has a directv account and who doesn't already have a hd-dvr and wants to get one, then you're basically choosing whether you will pay an extra $5/month for the tivo experience.
     
  5. Dec 7, 2011 #945 of 1039
    sloan

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    I agree. Just imagine how sweet the whole thing would be if Murdoch hadn't gotten uber-greedy and/or uber-stupid and kept the directv-tivo relationship in tact. :D

    Well, I hope the new directv/tivo relationship works. I was hoping for a $3/month tivo-fee.

    My crapper is that I just got two HR34's (my Standard Def directv/tivo's gave up their ghosts when I got rid of my last 2 CRT TV's in the house), so any incentives to lower the $199 price are used up. :(

    I think if/when the time comes, I'm gonna have to preview a directv/hd/tivo at someone else house to see how much I like it and/or miss it.

    I have a TivoHD hooked up to antenna only that scratches my Tivo itch when I have it.
     
  6. Dec 7, 2011 #946 of 1039
    unitron

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    So you have to pay DirecTV $7 per month for the privilege of using a DVR with their service no matter who supplies the DVR?
     
  7. Dec 7, 2011 #947 of 1039
    sloan

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    Yes. It is per account, not per receiver. So if you have one DVR, its $7/month. If you have 6 DVR's on your account, its $7/month.
    It does not matter if it is directv-non-tivo-hd-dvr or directv-tivo-hd-dvr.
     
  8. Dec 7, 2011 #948 of 1039
    unitron

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    What does DirecTV provide or do for that extra $7 that they wouldn't have to otherwise?

    In other words, how do they earn it?
     
  9. Dec 7, 2011 #949 of 1039
    BrettStah

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    Ask them.
     
  10. Dec 7, 2011 #950 of 1039
    sloan

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    You are not required to have a DVR (with DVR Service) on your account. You can have a standard receiver (either standard-resolution or hd-resolution) which only shows live TV. Aka, the way it was before anyone ever heard of a "dvr" (or "tivo").


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirecTV
    From the above URL:
    (HD Receivers, NO DVR)
    DirecTV HD Receiver (H10/H20/H21/H23/H24/H25)

    (HD Receivers, DVR)
    DirecTV Plus HD-DVR (HR20/HR21/HR22/HR23/HR24),

    (Standard Def Receivers, DVR)
    DirecTV Plus DVR (R15/R16/R22)


    You pay $7 to get DVR service if you want DVR service.
    You don't pay $7 if you don't want DVR service. And you get live-tv viewing only.

    Cable companies makes one pay for DVR service. Comparatively, $7 is pretty good, especially if you have multiple DVR's in your home.
     
  11. Dec 7, 2011 #951 of 1039
    unitron

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    Thank you for your valuable contribution to the discussion.
     
  12. Dec 7, 2011 #952 of 1039
    sloan

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    Here's one way they "earn it".

    http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/directv/id307386350?mt=8

    This is an iPhone/iPad/iPod-Touch application that let's you schedule DVR shows remotely.
     
  13. Dec 7, 2011 #953 of 1039
    unitron

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    Perhaps we're talking at cross purposes.

    Cable companies charge you if you use DVRs supplied by them.

    My cable company has no idea if we have stand alone TiVos or not, just like they don't know how many TVs or VCRs we have.

    If one has a satellite receiver feeding a stand alone TiVo, and the TiVo changes channels on the satellite box, does DirecTV charge any more than they would otherwise?
     
  14. Dec 7, 2011 #954 of 1039
    Adam1115

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    Wow, no kidzone. :sigh:
     
  15. Dec 7, 2011 #955 of 1039
    sloan

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    You can still use a Tivo Series 2 (Single Tuner) with a directv receiver to act as your dvr-setup.
    Heck, I did this for many years....to do what you are suggesting, to avoid the directv dvr fee. However, it was standard-definition only.


    With HD (or rather, our desire to get our shows in hd-resolution), the rules have been altered:
    1. TivoHD, Series3 do not work with satellite receivers like they did with Tivo S1 and Tivo S2. So you're "stuck" with either OTA antenna or cable-tv (most require getting a cable-card at a per-month-price for each card)
    2. The only satellite HD-DVR option with directv is to get their hd-dvr AND to pay for their dvr-service.

    I think what you're saying is "If I get the directv hd-dvr HARDWARE, then why does directv make me pay for the DVR-service?"
    Which is the same answer to a lot of questions out there. Because they can.

    The stumbling-block is that there is not a stand-alone-Tivo that will record programs in HD-from-directv.

    I think some people are paying $2.50/month/ PER CARD for cable cards.
    So once you have 3 cable-cards (for cable-tv and a stand-alone-Tivo), you're at $7.50, thus the $7 directv fee seems reasonable.

    The tripping point is "HD". If you want HD-DVR from directv, then you pay the piper. If you can deal with StandardDef tv, then a Series 2 Single Tuner Standalone Tivo makes more sense financially.
     
  16. Dec 7, 2011 #956 of 1039
    nasafella

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    Just reminiscing - when the HR10-250 first came out, it was $1000, and there were many people (some on this forum, I'm sure), who couldn't get one fast enough.

    When I got mine, the price was down to $400 with occasional promotions dropping the price to $200, which was when I got mine.

    It got all of about 8 HD channels (not counting OTA locals if you could get them), which is far less HD programming than this new one will receive. HD cost about $5 or $10, I don't remember.

    So, while it is relevant to compare this new DirecTiVo to the other DTV DVRs, it's also interesting to compare it to the old one. If you look at it that way, it's more capability and more programming, for about the same price.

    Just saying, you know.
     
  17. Dec 7, 2011 #957 of 1039
    unitron

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    My interest isn't so much in how their prices compare to alternatives as it is in how they justify them (other than "because we can")

    With TiVo you pay for the sub even after you pay for the hardware because that's the price of being licensed to use the software and to be supplied with the guide data.

    Does one "lease" receivers from DirecTV as part of the subscription cost, with DVR-capable receivers having a $7 higher lease fee?

    Do you lease this new DirecTiVo, paying an extra $7 because it does DVR, and an extra $5 because the DVR part runs TiVo software?

    (does that mean that they admit that the TiVo DVR software is worth $5 more per month than their own?:))
     
  18. Dec 7, 2011 #958 of 1039
    HiDefGator

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    as it is in how they justify them (other than "because we can") >>

    Directv spends a heck of a lot of money on DVR development. They also have to pay Tivo a license fee. Support costs are considerbaly higher for DVR vs. non-DVR's. Your $7 a month covers all these costs and more. It seems perfectly justified to me.
     
  19. Dec 7, 2011 #959 of 1039
    HiDefGator

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    (does that mean that they admit that the TiVo DVR software is worth $5 more per month than their own?) >>

    huh? maybe if millions of customers agree to pay the $5 upgrade fee then they will have to admit the Tivo software is better. but I don't see that happening.
     
  20. Dec 7, 2011 #960 of 1039
    sloan

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    I agree. The extra training required to train CSR's on non-tivo-hd-dvr's and tivo-hd-dvr's is a significant cost. Heck, this is the one reason I thought I've never see a directv/tivo again. Directv has already weathered the storm after they put out to pasture the HR10-250's. And their non-tivo units are stable and get the job done now.
    So I'm fairly (but pleasantly) surprised they are actually doing the directv/tivo marriage again.

    I, for one, have no issue with the $7/month fee. Do I wish it was $5/month? Sure. But since I have multiple DVR's in the house now, I appreciate the fact it is a 'by account' fee, and not by receiver.

    And I understand the $5 tivo specific fee. This is what a lot of people (at this very forum) said for a long time now. "Give us the Tivo option, we'll pay a little more for it, to offset your fees to Tivo".
    So people who love Tivo have an option with directv now. If you don't care about the Tivo experience, save your money and get a non-tivo-directv-dvr.
     

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