Updates on the new DIRECTV TiVo

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  1. May 11, 2011 #801 of 1039
    ADent

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    UPDATES

    Comcast TiVo - Killed 5/9/2011

    Comcast Premier TiVo - Announced 5/9/2011

    DirecTV HD DVR - 5/11/2011 - still no sightings - DirecTV states "in development but we hope to have it available soon". TiVo says "This new service is expected to launch in the future."
     
  2. May 17, 2011 #802 of 1039
    TonyD79

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    Just saw this question. Here are the differences in the dual tuners:

    1. Tivo's is always on. DirecTV's is on when you ask for it (down arrow) and will stay on until there is more than 2 hours of non-interactive usage (anything that says you are still there, whether you use both tuners or not). Tivo's will survive through recordings, DirecTV's does not as it resets after the recordings are done.

    2. Tivo's buffers are 30 minutes each. DirecTV's are 90.

    3. DirecTV's buffers are truly indepedent. With Tivo's if you channel up/down through buffer A on buffer B, you actually jump to Buffer A. With DirecTV's, you can actually have the same channel in two different buffers.

    4. You cannot see what is on the other buffer with the DirecTV one like you can with Tivo (still can?) until you go to it.

    5. DirecTV uses down arrow exclusively. The last Tivo I had did not use down arrow anymore. Previous channel on DirecTV jumps to the previous channel on the tuner you are using.

    6. Both use the "other" buffer to start recordings but DirecTV will use only one buffer for same channel overlaps. Tivos uses two (did I see they fixed that recently?).
     
  3. May 20, 2011 #803 of 1039
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    Looking forwards to updates on this new offering. Since the Web staff at DirecTV got the TiVo on there early, I assume we'll be seeing something new soon. I hope to hear more news!
     
  4. May 31, 2011 #804 of 1039
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    TiVo: DIRECTV HD DVR "Getting Close"
    By Swanni

    Washington, D.C. (May 25, 2011) -- TiVo said yesterday that the launch of a new DIRECTV/TiVo HD DVR is "getting close."

    In a call with Wall Street analysts following the release of its first quarter report, TiVo CEO Tom Rogers said: "In terms of DIRECTV, we're making real progress. We're getting close there. They are testing the product. We will launch relatively soon, I hope."

    He added: "Part of the reason that it's taking somewhat longer is a bunch of additional feature work that we were doing there. I can't comment on specific features of DIRECTV such as multi-room.

    http://www.tvpredictions.com/directvtivo052511.htm
     
  5. Jun 1, 2011 #805 of 1039
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    once it launches though, how long will it be until they iron out all the bugs? how much more of a premium are they going to charge over their own dvr? how long will it be until a mod exists to upgrade the hard drive in the unit.

    Way too many unknowns for me to wait around to see when directv is going to get around to actually pushing this out, or actually committing to a date/time frame.
     
  6. Jun 1, 2011 #806 of 1039
    dshinnick

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    We moved into a motorhome in order to do some travelling. The King Dome satetllite receiver on the roof, which was there when we bought the motorhome, can only receive HD via DISH, or SD via Direct. So, we became DISH customers and got their 722K DVR.

    We've used it for 8 months now. If a Tivo (the old UI) were rated a "10", I would give DISH's DVR a "7". It's "ok", but does not have the elegance or ease of use of a Tivo. A comment I'm hearing more and more from the wife is, "I miss my Tivo" and "When can we go back to Tivo?".

    In some ways it's just clunky and poorly designed. Like one simple example: when you're in a list of shows and you delete one, you're automatically repositioned back at the top of the list, and you have to work your way back down to where you were to delete the next show. Not horrible, but, to me, lazy programming.

    And, the DVR often becomes unresponsive. I have to wait for a minute or so for it to "wake up", then all is normal again.

    For us to go with the new Directivo we'll have to remove the current king dome satellite dish and replace it with another kinda-ugly-looking satellite dish, but if the Directivo looks promising, the wife may insist on it. And she may not have to push too hard.....

    :O)

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  7. Jun 1, 2011 #807 of 1039
    fasTLane

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    I hear you, dshinnick. How does your Dish DVR handle the dual buffer operation, if it has one?
     
  8. Jun 1, 2011 #808 of 1039
    mcpagano

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    dshinnick, thanks for the timely post. I was seriously thinking of going from our old SD Directv Tivo to the Dish 722k. I think I will try to wait patiently for the HD Directv Tivo.
     
  9. Jun 1, 2011 #809 of 1039
    Wil

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    The awful ff/rwnd in itself is almost enough for me to get rid of the non-Tivo as soon as I can. I don't know how people will put up with that once there's an alternative.

    There are some sports and stuff where we really have no choice right now and we really hate the menu navigating as well. Except for live sports, we'll sometimes actually download a HiDef program from the internet and watch it on the old HR10-250 or some other player rather than deal with the DirecTV piece of crap.
     
  10. Jun 1, 2011 #810 of 1039
    stevel

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    You will likely find that any MPEG4-capable DVR will have the FF/Rew issues you complain about. It isn't the software.
     
  11. Jun 2, 2011 #811 of 1039
    dshinnick

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    Our King Dome can only receive from one satellite at a time, so we're only using one input on our Dish dvr, so I guess we're not using the dual buffer.

    Another annoyance with the DISH dvr is that it doesn't have the automatic "rollback" after FF'ing. You Tivo users better appreciate that! It's just a pain to have to FF, start to see your show fly by, then hit rewind to go back into the tail end of the last commercial, then wait for the show to start.

    Again, the dish dvr isn't *bad*, as in, unusable. It's just a Chevy compared to Tivo's Cadillac. (no offense to Chevy owners....)

    And, it does have some things that I like which Tivo doesn't have, but, on average, it clearly does not measure up. How the dish dvr was voted "Best DVR" or something like that, a few years ago, I have no idea. Maybe DISH employees did the voting.....

    We're just waiting for the new Directivo....

    :O)
     
  12. Jun 2, 2011 #812 of 1039
    BrettStah

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    I'm waiting to find out:

    1) How much extra will it cost per month for a DirecTivo
    2) What will the DirecTivos do that the DirecTV DVRs can NOT do
    3) What will the DirecTivos NOT do that the DirecTV DVRs can do

    Then I'll decide if the features I'd gain and lose are worth paying the extra monthly charge. I'm thinking the answer is no, because there's really not much missing from the DirecTV DVRs (for my family's needs/wants in a DVR).
     
  13. Jun 2, 2011 #813 of 1039
    litzdog911

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    1) Don't know. Hasn't been announced yet.
    2) Not much. Basically anything that the HR10-250 does that's not provided by the HR2x HD DVRs is about it.
    3) Lots of stuff. See summary below ....


    Summary of HR20/21/22/23/24 vs. HR10-250 Tivo

    HR20/21/22/23/24 Advantages:
    * Dual 90-min buffers (DoublePlay)
    * Faster Program Guide interface
    * Faster reprioritization of Series Link settings
    * Remaining disk space indicator onscreen
    * Single button record scheduling
    * Network connectivity: Share music, photo and video files with your Media Center PC
    * Easy storage capacity upgrade: Just add large capacity external SATA drive, replacing internal drive
    * Caller ID displayed on screen
    * Same channel overlap: Pad recording times on the same channel without requiring the second tuner
    * Video stays "live" when using menus (Picture in Guide)
    * Video on Demand (DirecTV CinemaPlus). Requires Internet connection.
    * TV Apps: On-screen "widgets". Requires Internet connection.
    * Whole Home DVR. View DVR's recordings via networked HD DVRs and HD Receivers
    * "Active channel" content and interactive features
    * "Group Play" feature to play multiple shows automatically
    * Simultaneous video outputs over HDMI, component, SVideo and composite video
    * No phone line needed, even for initial setup and software updates
    * Ability to view YouTube videos


    HR10-250 Advantages:
    * Tivo user interface loved by many (Wishlists, Tivo Suggestions)
    * Dedicated "Slow Motion" button on remote
    * Easier "skip to next/previous tick" with dedicated remote buttons
    * More than 50 Season Passes/Series Links
    * "Save to VCR" feature removes all on-screen menus when copying to DVD/VCR
    * "Recently Deleted Folder" to recover accidentally deleted recordings
     
  14. Jun 3, 2011 #814 of 1039
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    4) What will the new DirecTivos NOT do that the current DirecTivos do?
     
  15. Jun 3, 2011 #815 of 1039
    fasTLane

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    Good question! What will the new DirecTivos NOT do that the current DirecTivos do?
     
  16. Jun 3, 2011 #816 of 1039
    BrettStah

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    Good stuff (snipped for the sake of brevity, but for #2 and #3, I was referring to the new DirecTivo, not the HR10-250.
     
  17. Jun 3, 2011 #817 of 1039
    weaknees

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    Exist?
     
  18. Jun 3, 2011 #818 of 1039
    litzdog911

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    My point was that we only know that the new HD Tivo is essentially an HR10-250 that supports MPEG4 HD channels. It might not have ANY new features compared to the old HR10-250. We just don't know yet.
     
  19. Jun 3, 2011 #819 of 1039
    eddyj

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    We kind of do, though. Didn't DIRECTV say recently that some of the delays were because they had added some extra functionality to it?
     
  20. Jun 3, 2011 #820 of 1039
    weaknees

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    TiVo, at least, claims it'll have Universal Swivel™ Search.
     

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