Update around the corner...

Discussion in 'VirginMedia TV with TiVo - UK' started by mikerr, Oct 13, 2011.

  1. Moe UK

    Moe UK New Member

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    IIRC you are using scart and not HDMI? I believe (or at least have read) that RGB has now been enabled which would make the picture look a lot better.
     
  2. RichardJH

    RichardJH New Member

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    It seems to be so. My daughter has her Tivo running scart into a Sony CRT and when I saw it today after the update the picture quality is much better.

    I will check tomorrow if it is RGB as I have my VM Tivo feeding into my S1 Tivo for copying and I was definitely NOT getting RGB.
     
  3. Brangdon

    Brangdon New Member

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    Yes. Which part did you think might be a joke? It really does take 4 seconds to fully draw My Shows. As a general guide, a UI needs to react in under 1/10th of a second to seem instantaneous. So TiVo needs to be about 50 times quicker to achieve that. To reach the point of smoothly sliding from one screen to another, as expected in modern smart phones, it needs to be even quicker. It really is appallingly slow as it is.

    (I'm a computer programmer, and sometimes have to work on getting UIs responsive on PCs.)

    The layout doesn't seem to have changed. I wonder if the SD upscaling bug also applied to menus, and you are seeing an improvement due to that being fixed. I am quite surprised by how much better the Horror Channel looks. (About the only SD channel I watch.)

    Yes, it does seem to be even less sticky than it was before. Also, it actually forgets a few of my favourites from time to time. I have the right number selected to fill exactly 4 screens, so when I page through I start and end with BBC2 at the top. Three times now it has come out uneven because TiVo has forgotten a few channels, and I've had to add them back.
     
  4. cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    I am and yes, the menus that were already HD look a lot better, but my point was that now all the menu screens seem to have been re-done in HD. I'm trying to think of one as an example but I can't. :( I think the 'Wishlist' menus were in SD but now they're HD.
    It's not the layout I was on about, but the resolution of the menus.

    Whatever they did is fine with me :)
     
  5. OzSat

    OzSat Very Nice Moderator

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    I think you are seeing an improvement in your output in a resolution fix which was not a problem for many.

    I don't see any different in the old SD menus.
     
  6. mikerr

    mikerr TiVoCentral.co.uk

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    @carl - easy way to see - the HD menus have the TV preview top right, the SD menus don't.
    But if you're using SCART, it's all downscaled to SD anyway.
    IMO its less about actual speed than user experience.

    Smoothly sliding gives the illusion of UI speed (and gives a better user experience) - the S1 wasn't particulalrly fast, but scrolled screens on/off from right, and the VM SD screens still do.
     
  7. cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    That's not necessarily always the case. For example, there's no room for it on the "Wishlists" page.

    Whatever they did, I'm happy with it :)
     
  8. hornist

    hornist New Member

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    Found I'd got the update yesterday, a day earlier than the schedule said. Seems to do what I expect.

    One thing I noticed, though, that I've not seen others mention is a problem with the display of the discovery bar. There seems now to be a sort of black vertical line about 3/4 of the way across the bar, which looks like it is meant to give a neat end-effect to the bar (in the My Shows screen it's in line with the right-hand edge of the panel that lists the recordings). That's all very well, but the display of pictures in the DB continues past this line by about 1/2 a picture, so the right-most picture in the DB has this black line down through it. It seems to happen some times and not others.

    I have the preview window switched off - I don't know if that makes a difference.

    I also don't use the DB at all, and would much rather not have it, but aesthetically this just looks buggy!
     
  9. Tony Hoyle

    Tony Hoyle Geek

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    I saw that.. It happens for me with the preview window on. Looks really ugly.
     
  10. mikerr

    mikerr TiVoCentral.co.uk

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    The wishlist page is SD....
     
  11. cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    In that case I don't know what they did but they look as good as the HD menus!! :eek:
     
  12. alextegg

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    You do understand that none of it is HD through SCART, don't you ? :)
     
  13. cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    Hehe! Yes, of course. But someof them (like "Wishlists") always looked worse than others. Now I can't tell a difference. The SD/HD thing was just my assumption.
     
  14. alextegg

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    So am I right that 15.2 brings all the improvements that have been discussed in terms of GUI, padding etc, and adds network connectivity, but we can't do anything with it yet?

    i.e. you can if you wish connect it to your network, and it will take an IP address, you can connect to it and twiddle a bit, but nothing useful until the iPad app comes out?
     
  15. TIVO_YORK99

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    Tivo Commander is very good - but its Android only.

    You can do the following with it :

    View my shows (including info about the program etc)
    Search for a program
    Setup season passes, including being able to set start recording and end recording padding (Personally I will be using this from now on to get past the default padding problem).
    GUI remote control

    To be honest its very useful.
     
  16. cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    I take this back. Just had a look now, when it's darker in the room, and can tell that the menu is still SD, but it does look better. That because they fixed the RGB problem, of course :)
     
  17. Tavis75

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    My TiVo seemed very flaky last night, was upgraded overnight Tuesday-wednesday but didn't really use it for more than a few minutes on wednesday night. However last night I had it on and was just in the menus, not doing anything and it seemed to continually crash and reboot every few minutes. Seems Ok when it's in standby and appears to still be recording as far as I can tell, but unless the constant crashing stops then it's basically unusuable (unless I want to watch everything in 2-3 minute chunks!) :(

    Previously it quite often seemed to lock up when returning from a program but I could get round that by resetting the UI. Anyone else having problems? Assume it's connected to the upgrade but guess there must be another issue as well else everyone would presumeably have the same problem!
     
  18. dannylau

    dannylau New Member

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    The crashing seems (mostly) connected to overheating probably because the 2nd core being live has generated a little extra heat and some tivos were probably running hot anyway depending on the amount of air circulation, you could try blowing a fan on it and see if that stops it rebooting, then you can add a usb fan.

    One of those laptop cooling pads would probably do the job and look ok with the tivo, or watch all your recorded shows before you ask for a replacement tivo
     
  19. Tavis75

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    Hmm, it is inside a TV unit with some other devices, so I will try taking it out to see if that makes a difference. Also, I seem to remember it used to make a bit of rythmic noise and I don't remember hearing that last night, so maybe the fan (if it has one, can't remember but seem to think there was one in the back panel) has packed up!
     
  20. dannylau

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    The Virgin Tivo has no fan installed and this of course adds to the heat issue
     

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