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Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by rashid11, Jun 23, 2008.
I ate a popsicle for breakfast this morning. It was awesome.
expert...but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Well, gee. there's this thing called the internet, where I was able to see the change coming months ago. Why does Tribune sit on their dead butts and not look at the info publicly provided by Verizon? It was NOT a secret. I got a letter from VZ weeks ago with the lineup. Why does TIVO not get on Tribune's butt? There are just so many BIG networks around. Verizon FIOS is one of them. You'd (well, maybe not you) think they could actually do some proactive looking since they're in effect cheating us out of what we're paying for. They're SUPPOSED to have the changes prepared BEFORE they happen, not weeks later.
Also, just why do you believe that Tribune is blissfully ignorant? How do you know they weren't notified?
That assumes that Tribune is automatically innocent and VZ is the culprit. They sent me a letter weeks ago and they've had a PDF up on their channel lineup page for months, with a date to go active. Why can't Tribune pull their heads out and actually look for readily available data? As in do the job we pay for them to do? One of the biggest features of a TIVO is season passes where the TIVO is supposed to know about this stuff and deal with it. If Tribune's at fault, TIVO should be all over their butts. TITANTV has the new schedule up. That tells me VZ must have let something slip out....
Link please? I just checked Zap2it and they have the old lineup/listing as well.
I have no insider information as to the inner workings of Tribune and how/when they receive their information (channel additions/re-alignments) from cable providers and then subsequently re-sell that information to 3rd parties. If I did, I probably wouldn't be posting here regarding the subject.
If your TiVo's not working how'd you like it to, either take it back, sell it, or use it as a doorstop, I don't care what you do with it, but writing with a chip on your shoulder over how you think technology should work on a message board as opposed to writing to Verizon/Tribune head offices just doesn't seem worthwhile, but that's my opinion. I'm just trying to provide helpful information, that's all. Am I frustrated I don't have guide information right now for a significant portion of my channels? Yes...can I choose to be patient with the process...of course.
Note that Tivo has a defined procedure on their support web pages for telling them about channel lineup problems. I've submitted a report; it can't hurt for others to submit one.
As of 5:30pm, my TivoHD has channel listings in the Guide. Programming and program descriptions still seem spotty, but it's enough to set up manual recordings for my shows tonight.
I didn't receive any "a change in lineup has occurred" messages, but I did have to change my guide from channels I receive to all channels.
EDIT: Correction.... I'm seeing channels that were previously in the La Connexcion package. CBS is 506, showing news in HD English.
Or maybe some weird hybrid. It's odd. For channels that were in the 500's on the old lineup, the tivo guide is still showing the old channels and guide data. For channels in the new lineup (CBS 506, FOX 512) that fall into gaps in the old numbering.... they show the new HD channel, but no programming information.
There's also a thing called Google, but here it is: http://www.titantv.com/TTV/Grid/Grid.aspx
YO, Mr. aggro. I said I sent an email. You can feel free to stuff your TIVO into any orifice you want when it doesn't perform, I just want mine to work. I gave an example of another service that seems to have figured the change out just fine. Why, other than being a troll or a die-hard fanboy, must you castigate me for simply wanting to get what I paid for? If your paycheck failed to show up after you worked for it just how much patience would you counsel? It's only a matter of degree. In this case, we have value out and garbage in. Perhaps Zap2it uses Tribune... I really don't care. The data's available and has been for months. There's NO excuse for not putting it up on time. And, FYI, for those of us who actually have to travel and can't sit around playing silly games with our peanuts until the thing gets fixed, it's a total waste of subscription money.
I did, but they only give you 4 or 5 channels to complain about. Not too helpful when you can't just say "all of the above". I put one in and then wrote a note.
Keep it civil and on topic guys. Jtrain is responding negatively to you because your earlier posts (written in frustration) come off sounding like you are complaining without doing anything about it. Let's get past it.
Titan is likely on top of the new lineup (I don't want to create an account to check) because they are a small company who has to get things like that right quickly if they want to stay in business. Tribune has a lot of overhead associated with receiving updated channel lineups and preparing it for their clients (such as tivo). To complicate things, we don't really know when Verizon provided them with the information. I don't think it was their top concern, really. Also, the new channel line up hasn't be available for months. You're overreaching there. Knowledge that a lineup change would occur has been known since mid june, and was only "announced" via press release on July 1st. Even then, it's been somewhat iffy determining what channels would be included and on what channel number. I've been part of numerous conversations on the DSLReports forums with people trying to figure out what revisions had been made to the official lists.
I'm currently trying to get in touch with Tivo users in Fort Wayne (the first realigned market) to get their impressions on how long before their tivo guides were updated. I personally thought it'd happen today, maybe 6-12 hours after VZ did their work.... but I'm still holding my breath in anticipation.
I had a printout of a PDF from before that. I ran across a mention on a forum and looked it up while researching the eSATA drive I bought, which was shipped May 31. The date changed from the 17th to the 21st, but the lineup doesn't seem to have changed. Besides, that's quibbling over a detail. It might have only been 1.5 months, or 5 weeks (mid June), or whatever. It's still more than enough time.
TIVO uses the season pass and the automatic "tracking down" of moved shows and such things as one of their biggest selling points. They badly botched Ft. Wayne and should have learned something from it.
I also think the "if you don't like it then throw it out" attitude illustrates an attitude that's uncalled for when someone has a reproducible (and, sadly, predictable) problem. The thing is difficult enough to keep working right with the VZ signal strength all over the clock (the signal strength isn't TIVO's problem but their crummy handling of it is). Plus, I have 2.4 to "look forward" to. I just think that someone, somewhere in TIVO, needs to stand up and start fixing things.
Fort Wayne Indiana. Hometown of Verizon North. I'm a little frustrated the guide data hasn't been updated today, but am working around it with manual recordings for the next few days.
Well, here we are, one day later and I see no change at all. Such a joy, cranking up manual recordings on music channels, etc. I do wish the granularity of record by time and channel was less than 5 minutes. For shows that often seem to be about 1/2 minute off time, that costs you sometimes. Plus, I have to go out of town and I *really* don't want to have to manually record 1.5 weeks of stuff in the blind - and then figure out later what it really is....
i've also gotten a fair amount of pixelization here and there with no increase in the uncorrected count and no drop or rise in signal strength. I watched it happen over about 1/2 hour yesterday on things like HDT & Smithsonian. It appears to be coming in that way from the head end.
Yah... programming 1.5 weeks would suck. Hopefully they'll get that guide stuff in before you leave.
New pixellation does seem to be a symptom of the switch over (in the Portland area at least), but it isn't a tivo issue, it's being introduced at the CO level (one step down from the head end). People with regular Verizon set top boxes are seeing it too, but it seems to be calming down as verizon tweaks the systems.
well, Ive connected like 8 times in the last few days, still nothing. I am kinda getting tired of this, just keeps recording nothing... grr
My area (Northern NJ) does the change on 7/30. How long will my guide be messed up?
will let you know as soon as mine goes through with a new guide. I am about 2 days in now.
yeah, saw that, looks like I have a Versus/golf HD.... they better now show golf those days.
Someone on the DSLReports forum reportedly called Tivo and was told "verizon didn't inform them in time", and was told to expect a 4 to 5 day delay.
I know. Ughh.
You get 5 minute granularity with up/down, but you can punch in a number to get 1 minute at a time.