Upcoming Android TV, FireTV, AppleTV and Roku apps

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by ric hardt, Feb 23, 2019.

  1. kiadontknow

    kiadontknow New Member

    Jun 8, 2018
    No updates for months. The problem is that as soon as the apps are released, there is no reason to buy a Tivo Mini. Tivo mini are also overpriced at $170, That's enough for a AppleTv4k if you're rich or a $50 for a Firestick\Roku.

    IMO, the streams are also much better quality then cable, so I've been using FitzTV for my television watching lately.
  2. jkudlacz

    jkudlacz Member

    Jan 20, 2009
    Miramar, FL
    Well thing is if users don't subscribe to Tivo service then selling few extra minis won't help Tivo much, at lease with the app they will be able to sell Tivo Edge or Tivo Bolt and keep subscriber base from shrinking and maybe even grow. To be honest I am watching less TV than ever these days and use various apps/streaming services to watch new shows. I still record some soccer but with Bundesliga moving over to ESPN+ (bye bye FOX) I will no longer have a need for Cable subscription really. I could get few channels over the air and have Disney + serve kids needs. I can't even get Disney + on Tivo and with Amazon Fire TV being super cheap I just can't justify getting Mini or even keeping Tivo Service lately. Even Apple TV is now available on Amazon Fire TV. Eh sorry for the rant I just feel TIVO is really forgetting about loyal customers and instead of making things easier for us they keep moving in opposite direction.
  3. mbernste

    mbernste Active Member

    Apr 6, 2003
    Piscataway, NJ
    Why release a free or low-cost TV/smart device app when you can make $250 selling a TiVo Mini Vox and USB wi-fi 5 adapter?
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  4. Charles R

    Charles R Active Member

    Nov 9, 2000
    Hardly anyone is going to buy into the TiVo ecosystem because of the high cost of clients. Especially with the multitude of low-cost streamers "spoiling" the market. And they create a market for TiVo... purchase your TiVo and start viewing around your entire house with your existing clients.
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  5. tomhorsley

    tomhorsley Well-Known Member

    Jul 22, 2010
    Then, to be even more profitable, get frustrated with how badly the app works (or doesn't work) that you say "screw it!" and buy a mini :)
  6. Charles R

    Charles R Active Member

    Nov 9, 2000
    I think you mean Amazon Recast. :)
  7. HerronScott

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2002
    Staunton, VA
    Assuming the app is going to give you a similar experience to the mobile app, I would disagree that there's no reason to buy a Mini. I would much rather have the Mini with the standard TiVo experience and capabilities.

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  8. shwru980r

    shwru980r Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2008
    I assume the Tivo app will not be able to allocate a tuner from the host DVR so you would have to start a recording on the host dvr to watch live tv. I think a common use case for the mini is to watch the news or late night talk show in bed and fall asleep. You'd have to watch the previous day's recordings with the app, or manually start a recording on the host DVR before going to bed.

    But if you don't care about watching live TV, the bolt could feed two other viewing areas and the Roamio pro/plus could feed 4 other viewing areas at no extra cost.
  9. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

    Sep 19, 2006
    In the ATL
    It's already been mentioned here that the Roku/Fire apps (if they ever see the light of day) will not be a full replacement for a Mini.
  10. heyadam

    heyadam New Member

    Apr 25, 2019
    Don't count on it @jkulacz. To paraphrase the popular saying, don't set your clocks to TiVo. Unfortunately, I spent two years waiting for Google Assistant support announced January 2018 at CES by TiVo and that did NOT happen. Then, it was a new Xfinity app, HBO GO support for Comcast, Roku and Android TV apps, BS pre-recording ads, TiVo+--the list goes on. So, I just sold my TiVo equipment and bailed out. Two years of missing promised features and deadlines come and gone. That seems to be the TiVo reality. :-(
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  11. RyanL

    RyanL New Member

    Apr 28, 2019
    Well Christmas came and went but still no apps for the FireTV or Roku lol. Doubt they're coming at all at this point.
  12. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

    Apr 17, 2000
    TiVo has a history of announcing things at CES that never happen. Going all the way back to the early days when the first showed off HME apps and announced a partnership with You Don't Know Jack that never materialized. There have been many, many, since and they just keep doing it.
  13. Mikeguy

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2005
  14. OrangeCrush

    OrangeCrush Active Member

    Feb 18, 2016
    About that . . .

    What is this "service" TiVo provides for $15 or so a month? Guide data doesn't cost nearly that much--I can get a subscription XML feed myself for around $25/year as an individual. A corporation can likely negotiate a much better rate. Where's the rest of the money going? It ain't product improvements, certainly not on those apps they showed off that never materialized. And it's not getting pumped in to new content production for TiVo+. That all looks like bargain bin garbage available on many other free ad-supported streaming services.

    The only justification for TiVo's fees I can think of is that the cable companies get away with worse for the equipment they provide. Usually a rental fee for the actual DVR box and then an extra $15 - $20 "service fee" for the privilege of using said boxes.
  15. fyodor

    fyodor Active Member

    Sep 19, 2006
    "upcoming" in this thread title is kind of like how Jewish people believe that the Messiah will come one day. We believe it's in the future, but it would be absurd to plan on it coming at any particular time.
  16. Puppy76

    Puppy76 Well-Known Member

    Oct 6, 2004
    thanks for the info/perspective. I didn’t realize they’d done this before.

    this is extra frustrating to me as those would be super useful, and they appeared finished a full year ago. Maybe actually beta, but they looked done save for Bug fixing.
  17. NashGuy

    NashGuy Well-Known Member

    May 2, 2015
    But the thing about the TiVo apps for Apple TV, Roku, etc. is that they have been advertised by TiVo to their pay TV partners as a way for their customers to extend the platform onto additional screens.

    Next-Gen Platform | TiVo

    It's one thing for TiVo to announce vaporware for their retail customers but another when it's something that's part of a package they're supposed to deliver as part of their B2B agreements.
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  18. Puppy76

    Puppy76 Well-Known Member

    Oct 6, 2004
    Whoa...yikes. Didn’t know that.
    I love how they’re talking like they offer things to businesses that afawk are just vaporware lol
  19. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

    Apr 17, 2000
    I think the biggest issue with apps for these devices is that they typically require H.264 encoding with progressive frames. Broadcast TV is typically MPEG-2 with interlaced frames. Now there are some apps that get around this by doing CPU decoding instead of hardware based decoding, like the VLC player or Kodi, but it taxes the system pretty hard and only some systems can handle it. Which means for TiVo they'd either have to transcode on the fly, like they do for mobile streaming, which does't provide the best experience or do software based decoding in the app which may not work on all systems.

    A better solution, IMHO, would be to do what Tablo does and recode all recordings on the fly to H.264 progressive. Problem there is that there are currently no chips out there, that I know of, that can recode 6 streams simultaneously. So we'd end up with a box that was limited to 2 or 4 tuners. i.e. Tablo.

    Although at this point maybe recording doesn't matter at all. Services like YouTube TV seem to have local channels for most markets, so if TiVo could just partner with a skinny bundle provider like that and tap directly into their DVR so that they could present it in the TiVo UI and offer their SP settings then they could be back in business. Especially if they could partner with multiple companies like this and actually give users a choice, or even combine multiple services, while maintaining a consistent UI.
  20. NashGuy

    NashGuy Well-Known Member

    May 2, 2015
    Last edited: Jan 9, 2020
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