unencrypted digital channels

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  1. Feb 8, 2012 #1 of 22
    stod

    stod New Member

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    My cable system doesn't require a box or cablecard for digital channels. Is there a Tivo box that will receive the digital and analog channels? I am assuming the cable company does something on the pole to open the channels up.
     
  2. Feb 9, 2012 #2 of 22
    lillevig

    lillevig Cold in East Iowa

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    My cable system doesn't require a box either for digital or for the local Clear-Qam channels and my TV can get them just fine. That being said, my Tivo cannot get those channels without a CableCard. I believe that is the case for most if not all cable systems.
     
  3. Feb 9, 2012 #3 of 22
    stod

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    My cable company will have filters at the pole, they don't do cable cards or boxes. Am I going to be out of luck?
     
  4. Feb 9, 2012 #4 of 22
    shwru980r

    shwru980r Well-Known Member

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    The S3 and the premiere will tune any analog or digital channel. The elite won't tune analog or OTA channels. The question is will you have guide information for the channels on the Tivo. Check zaptoit.com to see if the channel numbers in the listings for your area match the channel numbers you receive on your TV. If they don't match, then you won't have guide information on the Tivo.
     
  5. Feb 9, 2012 #5 of 22
    stod

    stod New Member

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    How do I go about getting the listings updated?
     
  6. Feb 9, 2012 #6 of 22
    unitron

    unitron Well-Known Member

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    You have to either purchase a TiVo which already has a lifetime subscription to the TiVo service (which is both guide data and the license to use the TiVo software), or you have to get a non-subbed TiVo and buy a lifetime or sub it on a monthly basis (I don't think they offer yearly subs to new owners just now, but you can check with them to see).
     
  7. Feb 9, 2012 #7 of 22
    stod

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    Can the Tivo recognize 84.1 as say NICK, when the Zap2It page just shows the channel as 84? Or will I not be able to get guide data for that?
     
  8. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

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    There is no way to have guide data for clear QAM channels, on a TiVo. You need a cablecard from your provider. If your provider has no cablecards, you are SOL on getting full guide for your digital channels.
     
  9. stod

    stod New Member

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    am out of luck? Does anybody make a decent hard drive recorder?
     
  10. gastrof

    gastrof Hubcaps r in fashion

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    Go to Wal-Mart's website (www.walmart.com) and in the search field enter "Magnavox DVD recorder" and when the results come up look for a model with the numbers 513 in it.

    Currently the 513 (a combined hard drive and DVD recorder) runs about $210.

    It will scan the digital channels and take note of all unscrambled ones.

    It'll be up to you to channel surf after the scan and find out what's where.

    There is no guide data, and all recordings will be manual.

    For what it is, the machine is great. I've had three of the earlier versions and also have the next model that followed (the 515, no longer available).

    Act fast. The manufacturer has stopped making them for now.


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  11. gastrof

    gastrof Hubcaps r in fashion

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    I question that being true.

    If the cable system only offers unencrypted QAM channels, any device with a QAM tuner would be getting whatever channel ID is being carried on a channel's signal.

    By rights wouldn't all devices come up with the same channel number after a scan?

    If the cable system is only offering unscrambled QAM with appropriate channel numbers, then those channel numbers could be reported to TiVo and a lineup created.

    Tribune would have to have SOME type of lineup for that cable system on their records, and it'd have to have the channel numbers required to tune the channels.

    Am I wrong here?

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  12. lillevig

    lillevig Cold in East Iowa

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    I have finally run into this situation. I was hoping to save $4/month on a CableCard for a Tivo in a spare bedroom that gets used for occasional "overflow" recordings. The Guide Data shows for all of the encrypted versions of the cable channels but not for the Clear-QAM versions. As a for instance, channel 105-0 is the CBS HD channel and is available on the cable. I can get this channel directly on my TV with no converters and, after a channel scan, I can get this on my Tivo S3HD without a CableCard. But when I get Guide Data, it is for generic channel 105, and not for sub-channel 105-0. Yes, the Tivo has enough information to properly identify the channel as CBS-HD but refuses to apply the Guide Data that it collected for the encrypted version listed as generic 105. The same is true for the digital SD channels that show up (e.g.: 5-1). Guess I'll have to either record the analog versions or pony up the extra monthly fee for another CableCard.
     
  13. shwru980r

    shwru980r Well-Known Member

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    I think you could set up manual recordings.
     
  14. lillevig

    lillevig Cold in East Iowa

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    I suppose, but I'd like to set up a couple of Season Passes. They sure make it difficult to be cheapskate these days. :rolleyes:
     
  15. gastrof

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    No. You haven't.

    The matter being discussed was a cable system that offers only unscrambled QAM channels.

    Your situation is very different.
     
  16. lillevig

    lillevig Cold in East Iowa

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    You read it one way and I read it another way. In any case, I have the same issue with the unscrambled digital channels that he has.
     
  17. lew

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    Tivo is designed to work with cable cards. You can rent a cable card and use your tivo as it was designed to work.

    The OPs cable system doesn't use cable cards. He can't rent a cable card. His tivo can only be used for manual recordings.

    Your situations are different.

    The Moxi unit worked fine with clear QAM stations. The unit is no longer being sold. You could try Ebay. No idea how long Moi will continue offering guide data.
     
  18. unitron

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    Now if only cable cards had really been designed to work with TiVos and other things the cable company doesn't rent to you.
     
  19. lillevig

    lillevig Cold in East Iowa

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    Yes, but my point is that the Tivo Guide Data selectively covers the channels broadcast by a cable company. That, in effect, forces one to use a CableCard where one is not necessarily needed. I understand that there is no way I can get my higher level HD channels without a CableCard but, on this box, I would be willing to live with that. All I'm really griping about is the fact that the unscrambled Basic level channels are not covered by Guide Data.
     
  20. dianebrat

    dianebrat wait.. I did what? TCF Club

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    In other words you're saying that you don't like the fact that ClearQAM channels aren't supported in the guide like all the other posts on the same subject?

    Of all the ClearQAM discussions I really am somewhat surprised you wound up in this discussion thread which is uniquely about a user that has a cableco that doesn't support CableCARDs at all and not one of the many ClearQAM discussions.
     

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