Ultimate Wireless Network

Discussion in 'TiVo Home Media Features & TiVoToGo' started by vlxjim, Dec 19, 2003.

  1. Jan 8, 2005 #141 of 606
    tivoboyjr

    tivoboyjr Unregistered User

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    About a year ago I tried to get HMO working with my wireless-B network, and it just would not work. I used the Linksys WUSB11 adapters, and also eventually tried the approved adapters by Netgear, D-Link and Microsoft as well.

    I tried it on two different Series 2 Tivos in different places in my house. I never got a signal. The network ssid did show up a few times, but still no signal. I could have my notebook PC next to the Tivo and plug the adapter into the notebook and it worked with no problems. I also got a 50 ft. ethernet cable and connected it to both of my Tivos just to see if that would work, and it always did with no problems.

    I spent a lot of time talking to "senior" tech support people at Tivo and they could never figure it out. I have a Linksys router and one of the tech support people told me to get a signal booster, which I did, and it didn't make any difference. One of the Tivo techs told me that the Tivos required a much stronger signal than a PC does, and my Tivos apparently are too far away from the router. I never really bought this, because they aren't that far away.

    I finally gave up and thought I'd pay someone to run wires in my house, but a year has gone by and I haven't done that. I'd still like to get the wireless network to work.

    Is it worth it to try to set up a G network using the methods discussed here? If B doesn't work, will this make any difference? Also, will the game adapters or bridges make a difference? As I understand it, that tricks the Tivo into thinking it's connected to a wired network; maybe that would make a difference for me?

    I am not a pro with networking by any means, and this was really frustrating the first time around. I tried to get this going for several weeks before finally giving up. I'd really appreciate any suggestions!
     
  2. Jan 8, 2005 #142 of 606
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    One of the distinct advantages of using bridges is, it takes ALL the wireless configuration crap out of the Tivo, and let's face it, that's 99% of the battle when wireless fails w/ Tivo for whatever reasons. Even if I only wanted "b" wireless support, I'd *still* go the bridging route for these same reasons. You have so little control over Tivo and the configuration, beyond the few parameters it provides, it's just a PITA. Sometimes it does'nt have the right drivers, only supports "b", no WPA, etc. I understand the motivation on Tivo's part, to make it simple, but frankly as soon as something doesn't work, then what? There's not much you can do to diagnose the problem, or correct it. But if all that wireless configuration can be confined to something you ***DO*** control, like a bridge, now you have something you can work with. And since a wired configuration for Tivo is trivial, it greatly simplifies the Tivo config.

    So yes, for my money, installing USB ethernet adapters is the ONLY way to go (USB 2.0 recommended for "G"). Then using Belkin "G" routers w/ WDS support, or bridgable gaming adapters, standalone access points, whatever you prefer, bring it together. Now you're NEVER dependent on Tivo for drivers or waiting for them to support the next great thing, like 802.11n. And if in the future, you find it practical to go "wired", it's just as trivial, no new equipment, just some patch cables.

    Again, using the bridging approach takes Tivo *completely* out of the picture. Whatever problems ensue, no need to call Tivo TS, pointless, since all your problems lie outside their domain (which in this case is good news).

    If you want specific recommendations, you'll need to provide some info on your current network config, equipment, Tivo(s), etc.

    eibgrad
     
  3. Jan 8, 2005 #143 of 606
    tivoboyjr

    tivoboyjr Unregistered User

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    Thank you, eibgrad! As I was reading through this thread, that little lightbulb above my head went on - it would be so great if I can get this to work!

    I currently have a Linksys Wireless B router, model BEFW11S4 and a Linksys wireless signal booster WSB24.

    I have one Series 1 Tivo and a Series 2. With reference to my earlier post, I had bought another Series 2 to replace the Series 1 in hopes that I could use HMO, but I returned it when I couldn't get it to work. If I can get this working, I'd get another Series 2 so I can take full advantage of HMO.

    I was thinking that if I'm going to do this, I'd just get the Belkin G routers and upgrade my network to G while I'm at it, but I'm not seeing those dirt-cheap Belkin routers anywhere. I've searched all over the web using those model numbers you mentioned, and the best price I'm seeing is $59.95. I saw mention of "CC" which I took to be Circuit City, but Circuit City has them for $69 after rebates.

    What would you recommend that I do if I just want to try this out and see if it will work on my one Series 2? I'm not at all opposed to upgrading my network to G if this works for me, but I'd like to start as simple and cheaply as possible just to see if I can do it.

    And as mentioned, I don't have much experience with networks, so I'm probably a little slow to grasp some of this. I've built computers and have added hard drives to my Tivos, so I do have some technical ability, but I just haven't worked with networks much. I set up my WiFi network, but that doesn't involve much more than just plugging everything in. Reading this thread was the first time I had heard of a "bridge."
     
  4. Jan 8, 2005 #144 of 606
    eibgrad

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    A lot of people have had good success w/ the D-Link DWL-122 wireless "b" adapters. They're about $20-30 each. Not sure exactly what is contributing to your current (or past) problems, so it's hard for me to positively recommend continuing down this path w/ wireless "b" client adapters, but that *is* what most people are doing. Others use the Netgear MA111, can probably be had for about the same price, although it has been popping up here and there for $10-15 after rebate, most recently CompUSA. If you can find such wireless "b" client adapters that work for you, it's certainly economical.

    That said, w/ respect to the Belkin routers, timing is everything! These have been selling LOTS of places for $10 (or less) AR (after rebate). Heck, CompUSA had them for $10 AR only this past week. Staples, Buy.com, Office Max, Circuit City, Best Buy, all of them, have had these routers selling in the $10-30 over the past 3-4 months (btw, Nov 26, Black Friday, was *the* day to jump on this, Office Max and Circuit City had them for $10 and $8 after rebate, respectively, even pricematched them to get both for $16!). Does take some patience, but barely a week or two doesn't go by before another one is on sale. Suggest you hang around the bargain hunting sites, like Slickdeals, Fatwallet, Ben's Bargains, xpBargains, Spoofee, among many, many others. Heck, they were even selling them at Home Depot, of all places, the end of Dec for $10 AR!!! Sooner or later, it'll be back.

    If you want an economical "bridged" solution, this is by far the cheapest way to go. In fact, my USB 2.0 wireless adapters cost me MORE than these routers. (btw, got smart and picked up a couple more D-Link DUB-E100 adapters on eBay, 2 for $30 shipped). If you go w/ any other bridging solution, it gets considerably more expensive. At that point you have to simply decide if the cost/benefit equation works for YOU. Without knowing specifically why your current attempts have failed, it's hard to recommend anything else but a bridge since you may be spinning your wheels by continuing on the wireless "b" client adapter approach. But then again, maybe newer releases of the Tivo software are more "friendly" to revisiting your past approaches. Your guess is as good as mine.

    If you like, I can PM (private message) you when I find a deal, or else PM me your email address and I'll notify you if I see something.

    If you want a high-end, powerful, wireless "G" bridged solution, and *cheaply", it does take patience and planning. Start researching your USB ethernet adapters, like I did, perhaps on eBay. You'll need these anyway, and these are rarely discounted by retail chains. Again, got my most recent 2 from an eBay dealers only a few days ago for $30 (total). Then be patient, the Belkin's *will* come :)

    eibgrad
     
  5. Jan 9, 2005 #145 of 606
    kent_thompson

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    I am using
    Humax TiVo 2 80Hr, Linksys USB200M, WGA54G Wireless-G Game Adapter

    Linksys WRT54G Wireless-G Broadband Router

    I can connect the Tivo to the Tivo site to do updates through broadband, no my phone line still isn't connected, but I can't see the tivo on my network. It assigned an IP 192.168.1.103 and I try to log on, but can't. Why can the tivo access the internet, but I cannot access the tivo. I downloaded the tivo desktop and it doesn't recognize the tivo either.
     
  6. Jan 9, 2005 #146 of 606
    eibgrad

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    95% of time, in a situation where you can connect to the Tivo site, but can't use the Tivo Desktop, it's a local firewall on your PC that's preventing access. For example, if you have Microsoft ICF enabled, or Norton Internet Security or Zone Alarm installed, etc., ALL these employ a software firewall that, by default, prevents access to that PC, in the same way your hardware router prevents access to your network at large. To confirm this is the problem, you need to disable ALL local firewalls on that PC. If you can then get Tivo Desktop working, it proves the local firewall is the issue. Now go into the configuration for the firewall and allow access to the application and/or ports used.

    eibgrad
     
  7. kent_thompson

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    What about the other 5% of the time. I have all firewalls disabled and it still doesn't work.
     
  8. ashu

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    Can your PC ping the TiVo?
    (Open a command prompt - Windows PC I assume - using Start, Run, cmd and type
    ping 192.168.1.103)

    Post your PC's network connectivity info (type of adapter, IP, DHCP or static - if latter, then Gateway and DNS).

    While you're at it, post detailed info about the exact specification of the TiVo's network connectivity.

    Heck, post the result of ipconfig /all from the command prompt you ran on the PC, too.
     
  9. kent_thompson

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    Yes I can ping the tivo...it has changed to 192.168.1.106 it pings 0%lost
    Min 3ms max 89ms ave 24ms.
     
  10. kent_thompson

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    Also, under the tivo server properties a tivo is recognized at 192.168.1.106, but when I go to the transfer area is says that no tivo's are recognized
     
  11. ashu

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    This particular thread is more about using 802.11G Wireless Bridges to speed up a wireless network above current B speeds.

    Sounds more like an HMO/TTG problem ... repost it in the parent section (make a new thread AFTER searching for existing issues) ... others may be better able to help you.

    Good luck :)
     
  12. Jessebo

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    right now, I have my tivo hooked up using an 802.11b adapter, and I was wondering, why you would need the usb200m? couldn't you just hook the WGA54G game adapter directly to the tivo?
     
  13. bonifacio

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    Standalone Series 2 don't have an ethernet port. Linksys USB200M is a USB to Ethernet Adapter. Then you attached the game adapter to it.
     
  14. tivoboyjr

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    I saw some D-Link wireless-G equipment at Compusa with some rebates and decided to make the plunge and see if I can get this to work. So far, I'm not having much luck.

    I have the DI-624 router and bought a DWL-2100AP access point to connect to the Tivo (via a Netgear USB 2.0 to ethernet converter). I hooked the access point up to the router and configured it as a client. I then connected the AP and USB adapter to the Tivo.

    I first tried "find IP address automatically" but that didn't work. For DHCP Client ID, I left it blank. The message I get is "The DHCP server was not found on the network."

    I've since tried entering everything myself, but am getting error messages that way, too.

    My TCP/IP settings are
    IP Address: 192.168.0.51
    Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
    Gateway: 192.168.0.1
    DNS Address: 0.0.0.0

    I'm not sure what to enter for DNS so I left it at zeroes. The message I get is "local gateway unreachable."

    I thought it might be easier to set this up using the access point versus trying to reconfigure a router to use to connect to the Tivo, but maybe I was wrong.
     
  15. ashu

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    Make sure the DWL-2100 is doing its thing right ... disconnect your PC's ethernet cable from the router, and use ONLY the DWL-2100 to access the router. And thr web, etc. This should confrm it.

    I assume the DWL-2100 takes on the etc.50 IP? And your router is etc.1? The 2100 *should* propagate DHCP requests to the router (although my experience is limited to the simpler 800, 810, 900 versions) if you set your TiVo to 'everything automatic', but feel free to do it manually ... (etc = 192.168.0)
    IP - etc..51
    subnet - 255.255.255.0
    Gateway - etc.1
    DNS - etc.1
    (Gateway COULD also be etc.50 - should work)

    Also, you ARE using the 2100 in either Bridge or Client mode, right? Not AP mode! And Infrastructure, not DHCP! The PC test should confirm the 2100 is working/configured fine.
     
  16. Tippy

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    Okay, I understand that this is probably within this thread but I'm not very computer savvy and I'm new to wireless so please forgive my naivety.

    I currently have two Series 2 models hooked together via a CAT5 cable through a USB200M USB 2.0 10/100 Network Adapter on each TIVO. This has worked great for transferring programs but now I want to use the Tivo-To-Go (when I get it).

    I use a traditional dial-up for my daily connection and to access the Internet through my computer (no cable or DSL line yet). However, my laptop is wireless enabled and I’d like to begin transferring programs from the Tivo units when I get the software upgrade.

    My question is how to link the TiVo units to my laptop through a wireless connection. Is there a USB splitter which I can hook up to each unit? Would I then have to have a wireless device on each unit? And, what would specifically need for my laptop. Or, would it be easier to just set-up a completely wireless network between the Tivos and my laptop?

    Again, I realize this information is probably in this thread or elsewhere but it is a bit over my head. Any help with the specific devices required (and or recommended) woudl be appreciated. Thanks in advance for helping a newbie.

    Todd
     
  17. ashu

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    You would need a wireless Access Point and Router.

    Since you only have broadband, for now I would recommend
    a. Buy a nice G wireless router, place it near one of the TiVos and cable them both to it. (Since you already have a cable running from one to the other)
    b. Set up the wireless network settings (with the router connected with a wire to a PC/laptop!) for your laptop to access the router (use security - WPA, or at least WEP, preferably both!)

    Of course, bear in mind that you will have to have an 'upgrade' path for when you do get broadband internet access. You will need your cable/DSL modem to be placeable near the router (or vice versa), and still need to be able to connect your two TiVos (preferably wired, but if wireless is OK, and TiVo has released G support by then - that should be even easier).

    Good luck, and feel free to ask more questions.

    Also, this thread is more (to advise people) about using a Wireless G bridge-type-device behind a USB 2.0 based ethernet adapter to link TiVos together with 802.11G, despite the current lack of 'direct' G adapter support by the TiVo. So your question does ideally belong elsewhere ... perhaps a more generic TiVo networking type thread?
     
  18. yakima2k

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    New member, first post. Glad I stumbled on this site - the official TIVO "support" pages are sort of a misnomer when you're trying to configure a network.

    Anyway, along the lines of this thread I was hoping to confirm a network setup. I've got an all D-link wireless G network right now to take advantage of their proprietary Xtreme G acceleration.

    If I understand the instructions in this thread right, to add TIVO to this network wirelessly without disrupting the uniformity (all Airplus Xtreme G components) I would need the DWL-G810 bridge (D-link's xtreme G bridge) and then I could use any TIVO-compatible wired USB adapter to link the bridge and the TIVO, right? In my case I suppose I would be getting the DUB-E100 to ensure USB 2.0 compatibility if the drivers are ever upgraded.

    If understand right, the result will still be slow TIVO throughput b/c of the USB adapter limitations, but I won't have to worry about network compatibility with the TIVO and I won't have to worry about jeopardizing my overall network throughput of my other devices by introducing a slower device to the network.

    There's lots of great advice in this thread - I just want to make sure I've picked up on the right knowledge for my situation. Thanks!
     
  19. ashu

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    You got it right!

    And while the DUB-E100 should work, pick the cheapest USB 2.0 adapter you can find on the market. The Linksys USB200M is often on sale. And while it looks flimsy, none of my 3 have broken yet :)

    Also remember that your Bridge (the G810) will also support being connected to a hub/switch and having multiple devices behind it - TiVos, game consoles, PCs etc! Saving you money on wireless network adapters in the long run! So go buy that second TiVo ;)

    Remeber to operate the G810 in either client or Bridging mode. Client (with static IP) works best, IIRC (used to use a 802.11B DWl-900AP+) Your devices (TiVo etc) can be static IP, DHCP or static DHCP - your D-Link router will support that.
     
  20. yakima2k

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    Thanks. Can you discuss the difference between client and bridging mode a little more in depth? I know just enough about networking to be dangerous.

    Also, I've already got a gaming adapter for my PS2. Anyone know if I could just put a switch behind that and connect both TIVO and PS2 or does the bridge provide some additional function above and beyond the adapter? Unless I can use the gaming adapter as a substitute bridge, it sounds like it wouldn't be a bad idea to get a bridge and a switch and then try to resell the gaming adapter and recoup some $$$. Don't want to get too far off topic, but any recommendations on ethernet switches?
     

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