Ultimate Wireless Network

Discussion in 'TiVo Home Media Features & TiVoToGo' started by vlxjim, Dec 19, 2003.

  1. Stormspace

    Stormspace Electrocuted by TiVo

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    Yakima2k. Based on the literature I'm seeing the bridges are designed to work with only one device at a time. see http://www.dlink.com/images/products/DWL-G810/DWL-G810_diagram.jpg

    You might want to consider a Linksys wireless AP. These can be configured as a bridge like you are trying to do. I paid 69.00 ea. at PCMall for a "G" model.
     
  2. jitster

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    Ashu- how much of a speed loss is there between G adapters and an ethernet-wireless bridge? My Xbox is working flawlessly w/ the WGA54AG; but unplugging from the XBox to the Tivo, and can't seem to get the connection again from the Tivo. My WG111 has been 100% uptime w/ my Tivo over the past week, but BOY is it slow - took over 1.5 hrs to transfer a 1.7 gig movie (thank god I saved it at basic quality) from my Tivo to my Computer...
     
  3. ashu

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    They want you to believe that. I have owned the DWL-820+ and the DWL-900AP+ (both 802.11B, and capable of bridging). Used them in CLIENT mode (hope you're doing that Yakima) and let them both get DHCP IPs, as well as all PCs/devices behind them. Worked great. Dirt-cheap (free after rebate) 8-port 10/100 noname switch too!

    Of course, tehy may have enforced the one-device thing, but I seriously doubt it ;)
     
  4. ashu

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    A G adapter won't run too fast on a TiVo because they admit they abrely support them 9drivers only, no optimization YET). If you have a working setup, wait for now, unless its EASY to put a switch behind that bridge. Cheap (even free) 4 port switches exist. You'll also need to buy a wired US 2.0 adapter (anotehr 20-30)

    Using a bridge maximizes speeds (to the point where it then splits to the PS2, TiVo etc, if they're both network hungry simultaneously). Until G adapters are improved, their performance won't compare.

    Not to mention a G adapter (to TiVo) and a G bridge (to PS2) automatically hits your bandwidth hard, because home routers suck at serving multiple wireless devices ;)
     
  5. yakima2k

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    I don't know if this is relevant, but I started off trying to use a gaming adapter instead of a true bridge and it wouldn't accept data from my wired USB adapter. It was only when I switched out the gaming adapter for the bridge that I was able to get the Tivo to connect.
     
  6. ashu

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    FYI, for all the rebate-haters everywhere, buy.com has the Belkin F5D7230-4 for 24.99, no rebates, free shipping.

    Of course, buy.com's seller ratings HAVE nosedived lately, and I'm sure others will follow suit (can't you mention a lower online price to amazon and hope for the best?)

    I believe the replacement 7231-4 does the funky Turbo (108MBPs - yeah right) mode AND bridging. Costs as much as the Linksys, though - so at that price point, I'd buy the L and throw the SveaSoft firmware on it!
     
  7. eibgrad

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    Thanx Ashu, speaking of the F5D7231-4 (since you brought it up :)), the *ONLY* difference between the F5D7231-4 and F5D7230-4 is that the former has the 125mbps HSM mode, other than that, they are IDENTICAL. Same interface, same features, same pluses/minuses, maybe even the same bugs! I know because I've owned both. And the 125mbps HMS mode is virtually worthless, all it takes is the *slightest* 2.4GHz interference (other wireless networks, portable phones, etc.), and it's back to 54g. Perhaps only practical to those in rural areas, but otherwise very unreliable. Plus, if you're using these Belkin models in bridging mode (WDS), a common topic in these forums, you can't run 125mbps HSM mode anyway, Belkin requires downgrading back to 54g. So all in all, there's no real good reason to waste your money on the F5D7231-4 unless you happen to find it similarly priced to the F5D7230-4. Oh, yeah, one small difference, the F5D7231-4 is smaller, but doesn't have a stand, while the F5D7230-4 is larger, but does have a stand (personally I like the stand and wish they hadn't eliminated it from the F5D7231-4, despite it's more compact dimensions).

    eibgrad
     
  8. ashu

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    A new one (I mentioned it earlier, but its lost in this massive thread) - the 7230-4 also comes in the small form factor. My Circuit City one is large and has a stand, and came in the red box. The small form factor 7230-4 has version 2004 (or something akin to that) under the UPS and is in a white box. CompUSA stocks these.

    FWIW - my CompUSA ones were bought a week after the Circuit City one - rebatestatus shows approved rebates. The Circui City one (I returned the second) - rebate received, being processed. Even though I mailed it first!
     
  9. eibgrad

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    Here's a deal for ya, forget about buying from Buy.com, instead, print out the Buy.com webpage and visit your nearby Home Depot. They carry a bunch of networking products from Belkin, including this router, PLUS, they have a $40 mail-in rebate. $25 - 40 MIR = MAKE $15!

    Just completed this transaction TODAY, sweet. And yes, Home Depot pricematches online internet sites, see for yourself:

    Home Depot Price Matching Policy

    Nothing sweeter than being PAID to take it off their hands :) Even better, this is the small form factor v2 model.

    Enjoy...

    eibgrad
     
  10. ashu

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    Home Frikkin Depot? Wow! I have a 10% off somewhere, ever since I moved. If it hasn't expired, this will be even sweeter ;)

    BTW - rebate companies are getting smart about price-matched items - Circuit City rebates explicitly say they will send a proportional rebate check (if they deign to approve it in the first place :rolleyes:) in case of a price match.

    <edit> Different item/model at homedepot.com th 7230-v4-xxxx (something)
    Usual trick to avoid price matches - per-store item number/ID

    I'll stop by the store anyway ...
     
  11. truqui

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    I just purchased one of these last night at a local Brandsmart USA for $38.88
    Does Belkin have a rebate going?

    Question which wirless adapter would you guys recommend for this router?

    TIA
     
  12. eibgrad

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    Then you grossly overpaid, heck, Buy.com sells it w/ FREE SHIPPING and no taxes for most states, $25 straight up. CC (Circuit City) has it for $10 (after rebate, 2 x $30), and last time I checked, so did BB (Best Buy). PCConnection (online) also has had it for $10 after rebate not too long ago. This router is sold over and over and over again for <$20. There's just no good reason to be paying $38.88 for this product, too many other options. Even if you didn't send in the Belkin rebate from Home Depot, you'd do better w/ at least the pricematch. Unfortunately most of the Belkin rebates are tied to specific retailers, including the one from Home Depot.

    eibgrad
     
  13. truqui

    truqui New Member

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    I guess I did...I can always take it back, it's still in the unopened box...
    Geez, the Belkin website sells it for $80+ I thought I got a good deal.

    What about the adapter recommendation? Anyone care to recommend which would work best with this router?
     
  14. ashu

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    Another identical router makes the best (and one of the cheapest) adapters ;)

    You need ethernet on the device, though - so for TiVos you'd also need, say, a Linksys USB200M
     
  15. truqui

    truqui New Member

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    Sorry ashu...I'm really more than a newb at networking!
    What do you mean?
    Why would I need a wired router as well?
     
  16. ashu

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    This thread is all about leveraging some of these routers' ability to bridge networks. So two routers would form a nice bridge, with the bonus of having a free 4-port hub/switch at each end. So 4 devices would be supported.

    At 25-ish for a USB 2.0 ethernet adapter for your TiVo, plus 10 or less after rebate for a wireless router, in addition to the first router you bought already - you'd have a 4-port wireless extension where the second router sits. (and a third and fourth, optionally! Each of which could connect to a hub/switch for a total max of almost 256 devices!)
     
  17. Apr 5, 2005 #257 of 606
    jedware

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    Has anyone used Windows XP built-in bridge functionality successfully?

    I ask this question because I have three tivos together in my basement next to a old computer that is connected wirelessly and would like to bridge my wireless network to my three tivos that are connected to a switch.
     
  18. Apr 5, 2005 #258 of 606
    ChofuHS

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    Really nice! I had wireless for a year with Comcast Cable. Nothing but problems. After multiple service calls, I ripped out all the hardware, switched to Liknkys and now, all is well! Now, I would like to get the printers hooked up to the same. Thanks for the info.
     
  19. Apr 5, 2005 #259 of 606
    eibgrad

    eibgrad New Member

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    Is your PC also connected to that same switch via a wired adapter?! If so, then I understand your need for a "software" bridge, iow, bridge the wireless and wired adapters on that PC. This would allow the Tivo's to communicate over the wireless network, using your PC as a conduit, and presumably, access the Internet (I'm assuming your PC over wireless is connected to a wireless router connected to the Internet, while the wired Tivo's are not, if I'm wrong, you need to be more specific in describing your config).

    I see no reason it wouldn't work, the bridge will allow TCP/IP packets to be transferred between the two physical networks. Of course, a wireless access point would achieve the same thing without involving a PC.

    Is there a specific problem you're having?

    eibgrad
     
  20. Apr 5, 2005 #260 of 606
    hoopsnut

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    has anyone done this yet? Just moved and at my old place I had a wired connection to my TiVo with USB200 as well as a wrt54g wireless router for my laptop access.

    Now that we've moved, i want to "un-wire" my tivo and am wondering if i should buy a linksys gaming adapter or another wrt54g router (already have the USB adapter from before).
    I actually have a PS2 i'd love to hook up as well and that makes me lean toward the router, but I haven't seen anyone who has done it yet. Connectivity for my PS2 would not be a requirement but a nice option.

    I am also not clear on how I would switch the remote (2nd) router to become a bridge/receiver nor if I would be able to hook up both PS2 and Tivo to the back of said remote router successfully.

    As a relative newbie, I'm hoping I am describing my scenario sufficiently.

    BTW, I'd like to say how impressed I am with the knowlegde and helpfulness (is that a word?) of this board and this thread in particular.
     

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