Ultimate HDD upgrade?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by TCM2007, Jan 8, 2007.

  1. Jan 8, 2007 #1 of 38
    TCM2007

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    Blacque Jacque

    Blacque Jacque TiVo n00b

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    Potentially 550hrs mode @ with 2 drives.......the ultimate TiVo ? :D
     
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    blindlemon

    blindlemon tivoheaven.co.uk

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    Hmmm. That's a 'leading edge' 5-platter Hitachi drive....

    My guess would be that it would last around a month in a TiVo :thumbsdown:
     
  4. Jan 8, 2007 #4 of 38
    Blacque Jacque

    Blacque Jacque TiVo n00b

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    Sounds like they've addressed that concern:
    But fundamentally it's still an IBM / Hitachi drive so it'll run hotter & be noisier than many others, shame really :(
     
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    blindlemon

    blindlemon tivoheaven.co.uk

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    But not for UK TiVos though. It's only useable if the PVR implements software to take advantage of it.

    And yes, "hot & noisy" pretty much sums up Hitachi drives IMHO. Their recent 500gb 5-platter drive was one of the hottest drives around according to reviews :eek:
     
  6. Jan 8, 2007 #6 of 38
    Pete77

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    I won't be bothering with one of these no doubt hot and short lived Hitachis but when Samsung launch their 1 Terrabyte drive I may well be interested. Although I may have to wait until they launch their 2TB drive in order to make the price of a 1TB drive affordable. ;)

    I could then replace my 2 x 250Gb Samsung HA250JC's with one of these drives and still have the option of chucking in say a further 500Gb or 1TB drive later if Samsung drives continue to only require modest power consumption.

    However I note that 1TB = about 250 hours at Mode 0 with no VBR enabled or about 325 hours at Mode 0 with VBR enabled. So while a 2TB Tivo would be possible (subject to power supply constraints) as it would provide 500 hours at Mode 0 with no VBR or 650 hours at Mode 0 with VBR most of you will find that menu speeds at this capacity are unacceptably slow as you then on occasion have to wait 7 or 8 seconds to go into a recording item from a Now Playing list or to stop a recording when you press left rocker arrow - even with a Cachecard and 512MB of RAM. How do I know this - well from my 500Gb Tivo with 613 hours capacity at Basic.

    So in all practical terms I really think a single 1TB drive is the most that would be sensible for most of you with a UK S1 Tivo + a Cachecard and 512Mb of RAM to consider. You can then just leave your Tivo running away happily until such time as its motherboard dies (although no doubt even then a Tivo heart transplant or subscription transfer via Ebay may still keep you going) or until no one is providing a UK EPG service any more (not even a hacked EPG service that may well follow on from any withdrawal by Tivo of their official UK service).
     
  7. Jan 8, 2007 #7 of 38
    Duncan

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    See this wired article which says that Seagate are planning to hit the market with a 300 terabit (that's 37.5TB) 3.5 inch drive within the next decade.
     
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    TCM2007

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    The Hitachi will be $399 apparently - rather reasonable in fact!

    There seems to be a point with storage where more makes no practical difference. For me its when normal TiVo/MCE operation gives a programme a life expectancy of 3 months. If a programme can sit on the disk for three months and not be watched, it'll never be watched in my experience. So more space becomes redundant; you just start collecting shows for the sake of it. I had a neigbour once who has the entire wall of her livingroom covered with VHS tapes recorded off air; i gess having vast amounst of storage space is the PVR equivalent.
     
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    Pete77

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    In principle I think you are right but I do think about 300 hours recording capacity gives a lot of flexibility.

    So a 1TB Tivo is only 320 hours of Mode 0 with VBR so in my view about right as the sensible maximum bound of a Tivo S1. Beyond this the number of Now Playing items slows down the menu system horribly and unacceptably (due to processor speed and memory limitations) even with a Cachecard and 512Mb of RAM.
     
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    Within the next decade I'm sure that's highly likely but I very much doubt any such drives in this capacity will still be using an IDE interface.
     
  11. TCM2007

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    TiVo isn't very efficient at recording. My MCE box has 190 hous of recodings taking up about 220Gb - that's at full off air quality, better than Mode 0.
     
  12. Automan

    Automan Ex TiVo User

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    I have been looking at moving my DVD collection to hard drives so I can pick any movie from one remote control.

    Twelve of those new drives should do the job just right :)

    At the moment I use for a partial collection

    1 x 500 USB2 SATA
    2 x 300 USB2 IDE
    2 x 250 USB2 SATA
    1 x 320 CAT5 IDE

    Only 1.9Tb :(

    Also what has this got in it then?
    http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/32302...00Gb_1Tb_USB_External_Hard_Drive/Product.html

    Automan
     
  13. mikerr

    mikerr TiVoCentral.co.uk

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    Think that one might be 2x 500gb drives then :p
     
  14. manolan

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    That's why you need a ReadyNAS NV+ 3TB:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=327509&page=2&p=4684818
    http://www.ultimatestorage.com/infrantnvplus.html
    http://www.nasdatastorage.co.uk/productsinfrantreadynasnv+.htm

    Go on!
     
  15. iankb

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    Anybody would be mad to trust their media collection to a 1TB drive with no practical backup. It would have to be configured as a mirrored 500GB drive.
     
  16. Pete77

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    No single fixed point storage solution is protected against fire or burglary or water pipe burst, even if its a mirrored RAID system.

    If its really important you need to keep another copy backed up off site as well.
     
  17. TCM2007

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    Fortunately, it's only TV!
     
  18. Pete77

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    But some people take their tv very seriously. ;)
     
  19. johala_reewi

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    Just spotted a 750Gb Seagate Barracuda but a bit pricey at the moment.
    Isn't there a danger that newer larger drives will only be available in SATA and not IDE?
     
  20. Pete77

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    Not within the foreseeable maximum recording capacity abilities of the Thomson Tivo S1 which realistically top out at about 2TB (2 x 1TB drives) when you will have about 500 hours of Mode 0 recording capacity on the Tivo with no VBR enabled or 650 hours and upwards with VBR enabled. At this capacity there will be serious slow down in the speed on the Now Playing and other menu operations even with a Cachecard and 512MB of RAM installed. Many users will find this slow down an unacceptable trade off for extra Tivo recording capacity.

    It seems highly unlikely that hard drive manufacturers will not produce an IDE/PATA variant of their various hard drive models any time within the next five years because loads of devices in the marketplace still only handle IDE/PATA drive technology. And much of the demand for these very large hard drive capacities will be from HD tv boxes, most of which still use pretty primitive and basic computer technology.
     

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