Two Tivos on same television - remote control issues

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  1. Dec 5, 2018 #1 of 19
    kcm105

    kcm105 New Member

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    Hey everyone. I've googled the heck out of this and have come up with nothing. I'm hoping someone here can help!

    We recently went from a Roamio to a Bolt (OTA). There are still some things on my Roamio I need to watch, and we've got it hooked up to another input on our television. The problem is that both the new and old remotes control both of our Tivos. Is there any way for me to stop this and just associate a remote for each unit? I've tried doing a reset on the remote, etc., but nothing seems to make a difference.

    Thanks!
     
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    Jonathan_S

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    kpeters59

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    You can change the Remote Address' from '0' to '1' and '2' respectively to get the result you're looking for.

    -KP

    Edit: Beat me by that much!
     
  4. Dec 5, 2018 #4 of 19
    JoeKustra

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    When you paired the new Bolt, the remote probably found the Roamio first and paired to it. I assume both remotes have an amber LED when you hit a key? You can pair two remotes in RF mode to two units without interference. I have found it's best to turn off the unit that's not being paired. You may have to start from scratch to fix this. I have three Roamio units within 10 feet of each other and no problems.

    This link will help, and it has links to other procedures: https://support.tivo.com/articles/Features_Use/TiVo-Remotes-RF-Pairing-Instructions.

    The "address" in earlier posts only applies to remotes in IR mode. You can follow that route, but I find RF easier once it's configured.
     
  5. Dec 6, 2018 #5 of 19
    krkaufman

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    As @JoeKustra said, you should be using the Roamio and BOLT remotes in RF mode, and they can control their paired boxes independently.

    That said, when a RF remote loses its connection with its paired box, the remote will fallback to IR mode; so, you’d want to both get the remotes properly paired for RF mode but also ensure that each remote and its box have been configured with distinct non-zero IR remote addresses, per the how-to linked by @Jonathan_S.
     
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    JoeKustra

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    I can only survive with my TiVo units so close by blocking the front with items that prevent IR signals. It appears that the remote, when RF fails, drops to IR mode on channel 0. I haven't done extensive testing. It's easy to block the front of a basic Roamio. A Bolt looks to be harder. Also, with the front blocked when a remote does drop to IR mode, nothing happens. I have a theory on the noise, and I need to verify the source. I did change the channel on my Premiere, but it is seldom powered up, and even then it sits in Standby most of the time.

    Since I have three Mini units only five feet from the Roamio units, the interference must be very weak since they never drop to IR mode.

    Upon further contemplation, I just realized my TE4 Roamio, about 2' away from the TE3, has never has a remote failure. This is getting more interesting.
     
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    krkaufman

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    ... or to whatever IR remote address has been programmed into the remote.
     
  8. Dec 6, 2018 #8 of 19
    ggieseke

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    Exactly. I have 3 Roamios and a Bolt stacked up in one spot. Depending on battery level & where I hold the remote, they occasionally drop back into IR mode. Since they all have unique IR addresses (from 4 to 8) it doesn't matter when the RF occasionally fails back to IR. Even when I fire up my old Series 2s on IR addresses 1-4 every few months it all works.

    It takes a little attention to the details, but you can have up to 9 TiVos in one room without any interference.
     
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    krkaufman

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    Just need to be careful not to leave any boxes on the System Information screen, right?

    Are there any other screens that can alter a box’s IR remote address?
     
  10. ggieseke

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    Not that I know of. Even on Series 1s the SI screen was the only way to change the IR address on the TiVo itself. Back then the Philips models only supported 0-2 and the Sony SVR2000s supported 0-4.
     
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  11. RonH

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    Though it would make sense that the remote would fall back to the "programmed" IR channel, it does indeed seem to fall back to channel 0. Reading the threads here I decided to program two remotes to channels 8 & 9 with the two Roamio's left at the default of 0. So, using RF only for both DVR's. When operating one of the DVR's I noticed the yellow light on the other responding. It's quite difficult to reproduce - seemed to only work in one spot and only sometimes. But during the occurrence I could get several responses from both DVR's.

    I guess the next step would be to set the DVR's to 8 & 9 and the remotes back to 0.
     
  12. JoeKustra

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    I have a Premiere and two Roamio boxes within three feet of each other. My solution (due to heavy noise) was to place strips of wood, painted flat black, in front of both Roamio units. It keeps me from seeing the amber LED also. BTW, any TiVo remote still on channel 0 will control any TiVo or Mini.
     
  13. dianebrat

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    My solution was to set the ir code on the remotes and Tivos once and that way when they have an RF issue later it doesn't matter.
     
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  14. snerd

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    Channel 0 is a special case. Any TiVo will respond to an IR remote that is set to channel 0. So, if you set up a TiVo on channel 3, it will respond to remotes on either channel 3 or channel 0.

    The trick is to set each TiVo/remote pair to a unique channel in range (1-9), and never use a "defaulted" channel 0 remote in a room with multiple TiVos. Then, each remote will only talk to the TiVo with the matching (1-9) channel.
     
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  15. RonH

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    I was wanting to disable IR entirely. So I thought setting only the Remote to Ch. 9 would accomplish that. Sounded like the perfect solution - and it does work, most of the time.

    With the two Roamio's DVR's left on Ch. 0, I assumed it would be impossible for them to respond to a remote set to Ch. 9. But I disproved that last night. Of course they didn't respond constantly, as I mentioned it was only when the remote was in a specific spot and pointed directly at the unit and even then it wasn't frequent.

    Not sure how robust the IR protocol is. Maybe in the event bits are dropped in the transmission and the channel can not be discerned, the default channel is used.
     
  16. spiderpumpkin

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    I used to have two dvrs that used the same remote and I would just block the IR area with a tin can.
     
  17. ej42137

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    With two Roamios set to IR address 0, they will respond to any TiVo remote, no matter what IR address the remote is set to. Similarly, a remote set to IR 0 will send commands to any TiVo DVR, no matter what IR address they are set to.

    When RF remotes lose connection, their IR address does not change. You got this mistaken idea because you didn't understand how TiVo IR 0 code works.
     
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  18. fyodor

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    Can't you just transfer everything to the new machine?
     
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  19. RonH

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    I was just about to say mine does not work like that, but had an idea. Forcing the Ch 9 remote into IR mode, indeed it controls both DVR's. So the randomness I reporter earlier was likely to it briefly falling into IR mode and I didn't notice. Multiple people suggested changing the DVR channels to something other than zero - and now I get that idea. I just overthought what was simple and confused myself in the process.

    Thanks everyone!
     
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