TWC Hawaii moving all HD to SDV

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by HiKent, Aug 27, 2007.

  1. Aug 27, 2007 #1 of 436

    HiKent New Member

    Nov 2, 2006
    Chapel Hill, NC


    We got a letter-bomb from TWC Hawaii today saying all the HD entertainment channels are moving to SDV on Sept 24. All that's left (HD-wise) are network programming, HBO and Showtime. They also got rid of a couple of dozen SD channels for good measure.

    While I love my series 3, I certainly would not have purchased it to get only HBO & Showtime. As for the network programming, here in hawaii most HD programming is broadcast SD -- we don't even get all the networks in HD.

    SDV Fear, uncertainty and doom -- replaced with doom.
  2. Aug 28, 2007 #2 of 436

    yunlin12 Tivonation Citizen

    Mar 14, 2003
    San Jose, CA
    That really sucks! What HD channels are you going to miss out on? Have you considered complaint to the FCC and your local municipality who licenses TWC to provide cable service. That's pretty much the only thing you can do. Man that really sucks.
  3. Aug 28, 2007 #3 of 436

    dig_duggler Member

    Sep 18, 2002
    Birmingham, AL
    That really sucks. Pretty much the worst case scenario.

    Sounds like OTA or sell time.
  4. Aug 28, 2007 #4 of 436

    is2scooby New Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    Honolulu, HI
    This is ridiculous. I love my Series 3 Tivo, but there's no way it's worth the money I paid for it (~7 months ago) now that I have so few channels available to me.

    I can't STAND the Oceanic DVR's though.


    What to do?
  5. Aug 28, 2007 #5 of 436

    dolfer Miles Standish Proud

    Nov 3, 2000


    Someone better get hopping on that SDV Dongle! God, I really wish Google or Microsoft or Sony would just step up and buy Tivo... Preferably Google... Someone with power who could smash these cable companies into the ground.

    No one would (or could) push Tivo/Google around! Tivo/Google would demand that an SDV workaround be freely available *before* any SDV content was released.
  6. Aug 28, 2007 #6 of 436

    davecramer74 New Member

    Mar 17, 2006
    ebay is your friend. Might as well ebay that thing for now and pick one up off ebay once they come out with this "dongle". comcast boxes should start getting tivo software in the coming months accross the board. That should hold you over until they get some kind of standard for 2way coms.
  7. Aug 28, 2007 #7 of 436

    MickeS Well-Known Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    That stinks.

    Maybe you can post a detailed list of the SDV channels and numbers in the SDV FAQ thread at the top of this forum, so they can be added to the list?
  8. Aug 28, 2007 #8 of 436

    pashasurf7873 New Member

    Sep 22, 2006
    What a Nightmare!!!! :thumbsdown: :eek: :mad:
    Woke up to this same letter of death from TWC regarding all the HD channels switching to SDV on sept 24th.
    I called Tivo and gave them all the info, but they seemed clueless to the problem so far.
    Got my S3 and lifetime service back in December...Now what?

    Anyone know of any relevant information or possible solutions?
  9. Aug 28, 2007 #9 of 436

    cgould Member

    Dec 28, 2002
    Bay Area, CA
    No comcast in Hawaii, it's TWC Oceanic only.
    OTA is nearly impossible also due to iron-rich mountains, cable only for much of the island(s).
    Can't get much DirectTV/Dish either (esp HD) since the birds are overhead and pointing to mainland, not the islands. eg, paradise is screwed :p

    Many Hawaii local (network) stations don't even carry HD (OTA or cable) partly due to this, and complain about cost of HD tape-delay hardware, as HiKent says... so for all TWC's exorbitant HD service fee/cablecard costs, you can't even get most network channels in HD.
    At least w/ the SA box, you can plug in external drives :) (that quickly die in the tropical heat, but..)

    HiKent, can you clarify what (specific) "HD entertainment channels" are?
    eg DiscoveryHD, HDNet, EPSNHD, etc?
  10. Aug 28, 2007 #10 of 436

    HiKent New Member

    Nov 2, 2006
    Chapel Hill, NC
    The HD channels we're losing are -- all of them. ESPN, Nat'l Geo, HDNET, HDNET MOvies, MoJo, (already lost ESPN2), Discovery, Unviversal HD, HD Golf/Verses, everything.

    Except HBO/Showtime (maybe that was a typo) and the network channels that I've read they're not allowed to move to SDV.
  11. Aug 28, 2007 #11 of 436

    pashasurf7873 New Member

    Sep 22, 2006
  12. Aug 28, 2007 #12 of 436

    ddubois New Member

    Oct 7, 2003
    Copied from Time Warners mailing to our home:

    46 C-SPAN3
    47 C-SPAN-2
    102 Jewelry Channel
    117 CNBC World
    118 Bloomberg TV
    120 Pentagon Channel
    121 The Weather Channel
    130 KAOM
    132 AZN TV
    134 Imaginasian
    212 The Outdoor Channel
    241 Fuel
    242 NBA TV
    243 The Tennis Channel
    244 Fox College Sports - Atlantic
    245 Fox College Sports - Central
    246 Fox College Sports - Pacific
    247 College Sports TV
    349 Ocean Network
    410 Inspirational TV
    587 Country Music TV
    589 VH1 Classic
    597 BET On Jazz
    599 Fuse
    608 Ovation
    689 Galavision
    690 Fox Sports World Espanol
    691 CNN Espanol
    690 Fox Spors World Espanol
    691 CNN Espanol
    692 Discovery en Espanol
    693 ESPN Deportes
    699 Chinese Channel
    1216 HD Gold/HD Versus
    1226 HD FSN
    1347 HD National Geographic
    1355 HD Net
    1603 HD Net Movies
    1561 iNDemand HD
    1222 ESPN HD
    1224 ESPN2 HD
    1605 HD Universal
  13. Aug 28, 2007 #13 of 436

    CharlesH Member

    Aug 29, 2002
    The OP is really going to need the solution described in this thread. But who knows when it will be available.....
  14. Aug 28, 2007 #14 of 436

    Sy- New Member

    Sep 29, 2005
    Ewa Beach,... This link to my letter that I posted in the TWC thread...

    Anyone know what I could get for my S3 on ebay:
    S3 with 500 gig upgraded drive and Lifetime service?
  15. Aug 28, 2007 #15 of 436

    yunlin12 Tivonation Citizen

    Mar 14, 2003
    San Jose, CA
    Google would've probably just wired their own cable network, like they are wiring the whole city of SF for wireless. Who needs to partner with the telecom giants when you are Google.
  16. Aug 30, 2007 #16 of 436

    pashasurf7873 New Member

    Sep 22, 2006
    Anyone gotten any information from Tivo regarding what options their customers in Hawaii have?(or anyone facing cable co switch to sdv)
  17. Aug 30, 2007 #17 of 436

    HiDefGator New Member

    Oct 12, 2004
    You mean as far as letting you out of your commitment? There is no work around available today and I doubt you will have a fix in your hands this year.
  18. Aug 30, 2007 #18 of 436

    GoHokies! O2->CO2 Converter

    Sep 21, 2005
    That really sucks. :(

    I've added this to the SDV sticky FAQ.
  19. Aug 30, 2007 #19 of 436

    gwsat Member

    Sep 14, 2006
    Oklahoma City
    Although Cox OKC is still representing that the HD channels they will be adding next month won’t be SDV, it’s clear to me that before long virtually all HD transmissions from cable companies everywhere will be SDV.

    Long experience watching the development of “vaporware” of all kinds has led me to the dreary conclusion that we won’t see the USB dongle SDV fix for S3 And THD very soon, if ever.

    In short, the rest of we S3 and THD owners are as firmly behind the 8 ball as you TWC Hawaii subscribers are.
  20. Aug 30, 2007 #20 of 436

    nhaigh Member

    Jul 16, 2001
    I don't completely agree with this point of view. The SDV problem will be different in each market. The cable companies will move only the channels that are not used all the time to SDV otherwise they get no advantage. In some markets the HDTV take-up (and cablecard) will very small and the HD channels become prime candidates for SDV. In other markets HD Channels are in higher demand so other channels will be more suited to SDV. The more a channel is viewed the less likely it will be to go SDV. I expect we'll see a different sets of channels in each market, some HD and some not. I think we'll also see more markets going the Chicago route and remove analogue channels to get bandwidth back.

    Another factor os FIOS. I think we'll see less SDV roll-out in the FIOS markets because it will drive people to the competition.

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