Tuning resolver (SDV dongle) not out until 1Q 2009!

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by s3victim, Mar 22, 2008.

  1. Mar 22, 2008 #1 of 122
    s3victim

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    So says Time Warner Cable. Also all new HD channels are and will be SDV. Already I only get about 4 of the 15 HD channels I pay for! :mad: Does anyone care but me? I see only infrequent posts to old threads.
     
  2. Mar 22, 2008 #2 of 122
    rainwater

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    Who said this? A Time Warner customer service rep? How would they know when the tuning resolver will be out? That would be like calling TiVo and asking with the TiVo Series4 will be out.
     
  3. Mar 22, 2008 #3 of 122
    acvthree

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    Are they under any obligation to bring it out at all?

    I would expect the priority of this project to be far behind revenue generating work.

    Al
     
  4. Mar 22, 2008 #4 of 122
    ah30k

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    There are many variables in play here:
    * When will Mot have their hardware ready
    * When will SA have their hardware ready
    * When will TiVo have their software support ready
    * How much integration time will be needed
    * Test cycles with possible new software builds for fixes
    * CableLabs approval cycles

    All in all, I would say the original goal of having it in Q1 or Q2 of 2008 would be awfully aggressive. Beyond that, who knows.
     
  5. Mar 22, 2008 #5 of 122
    wmcbrine

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    How is it not revenue generating?

    Customer with tuning resolver = happy, continues to pay bill
    Customer without tuning resolver = cancels, pays nothing

    Granted, they may too short-sighted to see it that way.
     
  6. Mar 22, 2008 #6 of 122
    ah30k

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    The cost of the tuning resolvers at such low quantities will be high. The MSOs will need to practically give them away or risk a backlash. The number of happy campers is very small in the grand scheme of things.

    The numbers just don't add up to be doing this for profit motives.
     
  7. Mar 22, 2008 #7 of 122
    Lupin

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    Id pay I reckon $100 tops for one.
     
  8. Mar 22, 2008 #8 of 122
    Combat Medic

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    Don't believe anything that a CSR says.

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  9. Mar 22, 2008 #9 of 122
    JohnnyO

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    My cynical take on it is:

    Customer without tuning resolver --> more likely to get cable companies DVR, which brings them more revenue than a customer with a TiVo box.

    Which leads me to believe that TiVo -really- needs to go the extra mile to do what they can to make sure the Tuning Resolver sees the light of day before more and more cable systems move to SDV.

    I say this as someone who just bought two TiVo HD units and activated them with long term commitments to be used on a Comcast system that (to date) doesn't use SDV, but could certainly move to SDV without asking for my thoughts on the matter.
     
  10. Mar 22, 2008 #10 of 122
    acvthree

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    >>>Customer without tuning resolver --> more likely to get cable companies DVR,

    That would be my take for the primary reasoning.

    Along with that, the few that are left after the first group moves to the simpler solution of the cable company DVR, they get rid of a tiny, vocal, hard to please, group of unwanted customers.

    It's a win/win situation.

    Al
     
  11. Mar 22, 2008 #11 of 122
    lrhorer

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    Revenue and profit are not the same thing. Depending on their pricing, most CATV companies make only a very small profit, if any at all, on leased DVRs.
     
  12. Mar 22, 2008 #12 of 122
    mike_camden

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    They may not make much profit from the lease of DVRs; however, as I understand it, they do make quite a bit of profit from PPV and On Demand, neither or which is available with a 3rd party cable card device such as Tivo. Given that they are taking a hit to these profit centers when customer opt out of their supplied boxes, I can see the cable companies as having a serious motive to disuade customers from using Tivos.
     
  13. Mar 22, 2008 #13 of 122
    RonDawg

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    If you're not getting most of the channels you're paying for, you should drop that tier.
     
  14. Mar 22, 2008 #14 of 122
    davezatz

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    Do you have a legit source you can point us to...?
     
  15. Mar 22, 2008 #15 of 122
    JTYoung1

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    I'd sooner go back to DirecTV and their DVR than use that POS the cable companies call a DVR.
     
  16. Mar 23, 2008 #16 of 122
    hddude55

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    posts that the sdv resolver won't be available this year and everyone believes him? What a bunch of trusting people.
     
  17. Mar 23, 2008 #17 of 122
    cramer

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    People need to realize a "tuning resolver" is nothing more than a cablemodem. In theory, it's simple. All tivo need do is (a) add the necessary CAM drivers to talk to a cablemodem via usb (linux already supports this), and (b) add the "sdv client" application code to the system. In practice, however, there are a lot of little details. The first being, commonly available cablemodems aren't programmed to work in the DSG 38Mhz(?) band. (they should be cable of going that low, but I've never seen one try.) And the last one being the decade it takes to get anything past Cable Labs.

    Wiring it all together can be a bigger mess... this introduces numerous extra steps to tuning a channel. And it takes some measure of cooperation from cable companies and their equipment vendors...
     
  18. Mar 23, 2008 #18 of 122
    MickeS

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    I don't think anyone believes him. But it would be nice to know the source.
     
  19. Mar 23, 2008 #19 of 122
    davidjplatt

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    Doesn't the FCC mandate that the cable company can't force you to use their reception equipment to the exclusion of other equipment?

    Isn't that the reason that the cable companies have to provide the capability of cable cards?
     
  20. Mar 23, 2008 #20 of 122
    Combat Medic

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    The cable companies say that the mandate right now only covers one way cable. So, they took one way channels and turned them into on demand so that we are still expected to rent a box from them. And, I have complained to the FCC but the FCC didn't care.
     

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