transfer then burn to DVD w/Pioneer TiVo DVD-R

Discussion in 'DVD TiVo Units (Archive)' started by ChromeAce, Mar 19, 2004.

  1. ChromeAce

    ChromeAce Early Adopter

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    1. As I said, I believe TiVo is concerned about "hacks" which are unauthorized software modifications. There are already hacks that allow TiVo to TiVo show transfer without HMO over the Internet.

    2. TiVo2Go uses encryption and a hardware key. Without the hardware key (which you can only have one of), the files are unplayable. That makes transferring them to someone else useless as they won't have the hardware key.

    3. That's a hack. Hacks basically keep TiVo off the hook as long as they make it reasonably difficult to accomplish. If they allowed burning after transfer via HMO, that would not be a hack. It would be encouragement to transfer, burn, and share. Burning and sharing is enough for them, apparently. Add transfer to the mix and the guys in ties start to get nervous.
     
  2. ellinj

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    hardware keys are no longer going to be required for TivoToGo.
     
  3. manielse

    manielse New Member

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    Ok if no hardware key is required for Tivo2Go, that means Tivo will decrypt the unique hardware identifier with the Tivo2Go software on the PC (trying to stay as vague as possible).

    Why can't they do the same function on the Pioneers units then? The answer is they can but wil they, this is where politics come into play. Once Tivo2Go comes out, the sales of Pioneer models will suffer unless they can make things easier for the consumer. If Tivo wants to remain a strong partner with Pioneer, they'll fix this issue. If they want more direct sales, they won't fix the issue.

    Personally, I have no interest into transferring programs to my PC when I have a simple interface on one of my Tivo units.

    BTW, welcome "C Turner Joy" to coming out of the shadows. I'm hoping that enough noise about this will cause them to fix this.
     
  4. ellinj

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    Once Tivo2Go comes out I will most likely dump the pioneer if it still can't record transferred shows.
     
  5. C Turner Joy

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    BTW, welcome "C Turner Joy" to coming out of the shadows. I'm hoping that enough noise about this will cause them to fix this.

    Thanks. That's kind of you.

    I've been wondering about the details of Tivo2Go. At first I heard dongles. Now that seems to be changed to no dongles. If no dongles, just some sort of software encryption, then is it that you can only play the burned DVD on the machine (PC or otherwise) on which it was burned? Or is it more like the DVD will be "locked" so that it cannot be copied to another DVD? I'd prefer the latter by a wide margin.

    I'm not interested in starting my own DVD bootleg business. But there are things that I would like to burn to DVD, movies and such, that I would like to be able to play on any DVD player that I own. And more to the point, any DVD player that I may own in the future (given that it is compatible with today's format).

    Anyone have an idea of the direction they are going with this?

    I have to agree with ellinj. If they don't give me the ability to burn to my Pioneer after transferring from another Tivo it isn't of much use to me. I'm already unthrilled with the picture quality in anything but Fine mode. Two discs for one two hour movie isn't ideal.
     
  6. Tivortex

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    Those are the 2 issues I care A LOT more about on the 810 than burning transfered material.
    I'm already completely sick of owning an intentionally crippled machine.
     
  7. C Turner Joy

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    Tivortex said:

    "Those are the 2 issues I care A LOT more about on the 810 than burning transfered material.

    I'm already completely sick of owning an intentionally crippled machine."


    Amen! I was hoping that being able to transfer Best quality from my Tivo 2 to the Pioneer I would be able to burn movies in that acceptable quality.
     
  8. zirzlo

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    Grrrr!!! Oh, hello everyone....Grrrrrr!!!

    I just purchased an 810 and finished setting it up only to find out that I can't burn transferred shows. I was hoping I would find some encouraging info here, but it looks like it is just no go! Well, I guess I'll wait for a little while, but I'll probably return it now.

    Grrrr....
     
  9. ChromeAce

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    Just to update everyone, I never got a response from TiVoBill or anyone else on this matter.
     
  10. martinp13

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    I was ready to go get an 810 to add to my network, and you guys successfully burst my UMF bubble. :( That has to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. I can transfer shows between two machines, but can't transfer it off to DVD? What's the difference between TiVo->DVD and TiVo->TiVo->DVD, especially when the TiVo-to-TiVo link is HMO-protected. Yes, I know it's not perfect, but it should be good enough to keep the casual user from breaking any rules.

    They're losing an 810 sale due to this. :(
     
  11. martinp13

    martinp13 Roller coaster addict :)

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    You might send it again... sometimes he gets a flurry of PMs and might miss yours.
     
  12. ellinj

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    They say it is because regular series 2 units record in a differnent resolution and bitrate then models with a dvd recorder. I could buy this to some extent but it doesn't explain why an 810->810 transfer won't burn. I am personally going to dump my 810 once Tivo2Go comes out.
     
  13. MikeEvangelist

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    I was so excited to finally get my 810, and crushed by its limitations:

    - the one discussed in this thread being the most annoying

    - Having to record programs longer than two hours in four-hour mode in order to fit them on one disc. The four-hour mode encoding is truly awful.

    - Machine unusable for anything else while recording from external input

    - Even in two-hour mode, I'd see many more blocking artifacts and 'stuttering' than on my other TiVos.

    So back it went. I bought a Pioneer 310, which so far is doing a great job. And even though it means everything has to be re-encoded, the discs look much better than they did coming out of the 810.

    Mike
     
  14. fast800

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    It's a year later and this is still an issue, terrible. Has there been any progress on this?
     
  15. danieljanderson

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    I'm guessing that the signal must be encoded a certain way in order to be transferred. And that's where the incompatibility happens. Our PC's must have a little more capability when it comes to handling this and that's why we can burn there.
     
  16. masmith

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    I have the pioneer, and the HD-DVR, I want to connect them, and I want the Pioneer to be able to record from the satellite so I can place shows on DVD. How can I do that?? Please help me since you have experience with both.
     
  17. sweetspirit

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  18. Sir_Jeeves

    Sir_Jeeves New Member

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    Just for the record:

    I've never had problems with this as the Pioneer has also saved/encoded the content in a format for playing on a DVD. I've transferred content to my PC that was recorded PRIOR to the Tivo2Go, then back, and burned on Pioneer without problems.
    -Mike
     

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