Top Shot Season 2

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  1. Mar 22, 2011 #21 of 111
    vertigo235

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    While I respect his whole "don't change the fundamentals", he could at least try to hold it the way they recommend. He mind find that he likes it better...
     
  2. Mar 22, 2011 #22 of 111
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    He posts on Calguns. He does the Weaver now.

    Edit: "swingcoach" on calguns.

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  3. Mar 22, 2011 #23 of 111
    vertigo235

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    I wonder if he can shoot faster now :D
     
  4. Mar 22, 2011 #24 of 111
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    His original reasoning was "I don't want to change things now".

    Wow, calguns is big! (I post there too occasionally)
     
  5. Mar 23, 2011 #25 of 111
    RonDawg

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    With this last episode, I don't understand why individual members of blue team chose the various challenges that they did. For example, if Daryl is supposedly the best trick-shooter of the team, he should have done the final challenge (plates spread far apart) since I thought that was the hardest and you get the most points from it. Kyle, the weakest shooter of the four, should have done the corn cob shoot.

    And I can see that reasoning. They don't have a lot of official practice time before each competition, aren't allowed to leave the ranch to go to a local gun range, and for safety reasons aren't allowed to their own practicing with firearms the way they did with the blowgun and tomahawk competitions.
     
  6. Mar 23, 2011 #26 of 111
    Steve_Martin

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    I agree with his reasoning too. The pros should just help him fine tune his techniques with the limited time available. He seems to have earned back the respect of most of his team (what's left of it).
     
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    Just found out that my cow-orker was in the Marine Corp with Joe (he was the corncob shooter for the red team).
     
  8. Mar 30, 2011 #28 of 111
    RonDawg

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    O. M. G.

    I did NOT expect Jay to beat Daryl in the elimination challenge for the "Catch .22" episode. And neither did the rest of the contestants (except of course Jay).

    Jay deserved to go to elimination challenge again. I thought his stubbornness and refusal to accept instruction was going to cost him this time, and his S-L-O-W-N-E-S-S during the team competition definitely cost them the win. With only 5 points separating them, by simply picking up the pace, Jay could have easily helped blue team win this time.

    But as Daryl said, Jay has this remarkable ability to pull magic tricks out of his azz just as you think he's going to fall flat on his face.

    (As an aside, I'm not sure why Daryl didn't start off with the more difficult but greater gain moving targets? The team knows Jay is a slowpoke, and Daryl could have made up for that by concentrating on the moving targets first, since he's the best shot of the 3.)

    I'm looking forward to the next episode, just to see everybody's reaction back at the house. :D

    Either my TV needs re-calibrating, or when the teams are dissolved next episode and everybody wears the same color, the producers chose a hideous shade of green for their fleece sweaters. Last year's shade of green was a lot nicer.
     
  9. Mar 30, 2011 #29 of 111
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    Jay lucked out on the challenge. The sight picture didn't move. It just got smaller.

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  10. Mar 30, 2011 #30 of 111
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    I don't understand why Daryl didn't go first either, he would of been up to the bench twice.

    That bullseye shooting stance is weak, and I'll say it again it wouldn't be a big deal for him to move that support hand, even less of an issue than on a hand gun.

    Daryl losing the challenge was disappointing. He had the lead and blew it, he was still trying to go fast. Jay gets lucky again.
     
  11. Mar 30, 2011 #31 of 111
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    I think sorta covered up in the editing for the gallery sequence is the time taken on reloading those 10/22 rotary mags. The quick shooters were probably going through a 10 round mag in less than 10-15 seconds (except for Jay).

    I've got a 10/22. They're a bit fiddly, especially when it comes to putting the mag in. The standard rotary is flush with the stock when loaded, hard to orient, easy to put in backwards, and that combined with how close the magwell is to the trigger guard doesn't make it conducive for a single motion insert-and-tap. You saw a bit of fiddling with the mag during quick edits during the team practices, and of course Daryl's mag drop in the elimination. Though I think Daryl was just flustered in general.

    I wonder why they didn't box style mags and stayed with the stock 10/22 mags. The carbines weren't unmodified. They usually don't come with sling swivels like the ones used on the show.

    I also installed peep-sight/ghost ring style sights from Tech-Sights. I've found that the notch style sights obscure too much of the target for tiny targets or to shoot beyond your zero and you have to add elevation.

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  12. Mar 31, 2011 #32 of 111
    Ment

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    Isn't it beyond time for Jay and luck to be spoken together? He is unconventional to be sure, but he has a talent for incorporating new shooting situations into his existing style. Isn't Jay's forte archery? Yet he is still kicking ass in eliminations. Bet you could have a rock throwing contest and he'd still figure out a way to beat you throwing underhand..
     
  13. Mar 31, 2011 #33 of 111
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    In this case, I do think this time around luck still had a big factor, and I want to still ding him in the team competition for not sticking with the team. The team competition needed lots of fast mostly-hit shots, and not few, well-aimed shots.

    Yes, there is skill in Jay, but the team competition was quick shots, different points of aim.

    The offhand match shooting stance is really stable for long shots where you want a stable platform integrated with your breathing. Your weak elbow is resting on your ribcage for structural support, so you have to time your shots with your breathing. You really can't move your aim without moving your entire torso. In fact, with the so-called "Natural Point of Aim" stances, if your aim is off, you don't move the rifle, you move your body. You want your body to aim, and your bones to hold the rifle steady. Not conducive to fast shooting. I don't think NPOA stances are good for the gallery.

    For the challenge, the aim point didn't change. It just got smaller. In that case, the match stance was well suited for it.

    I do fun CMP-style matches, and shoot off-hand with a variant of Jay's stance. Facing 90ish degrees off, weak elbow on my chest, and hand close to the trigger, although my elbow is twisted so my weak hand (left) fingers go left instead of right.

    Daryl didn't help his case by getting all flustered.

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  14. Apr 6, 2011 #34 of 111
    RonDawg

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    I was very disappointed about the way tonight's episode went. Eliminations, thanks to George, were clearly for personality-conflict reasons. Joe had by far the worst performance and even agreed he should be eliminated. Ashley seemed quick at first but ended up having the second-worst performance of the group. Judging by performance alone, those two should have been sent, not Jay and Jamie.

    I know he ticked off a lot of people at the beginning, but I am sad to see Jay go. He fought off over half of the competition, pretty damn good considering his lack of experience. He certainly gave the far-more-experienced ex-military competitors a good fight.

    George has emerged as the Season 2 d-bag. I'm not sure what his issue with Jamie is, since unlike George, Jamie doesn't play into the politics. At least Jamie has $6 grand worth of Bass Pro Shop gift cards even if he doesn't end up to be Top Shot, and Jay went home with $4 grand worth. I hope George eventually gets sent home empty-handed.

    As far as the competition is concerned, I think the sniper shot should have been tallied a bit differently. Time of course should be a factor, but so should number of rounds. I was never in the military or SWAT so bear with me if I'm wrong here, but I thought the whole purpose of a sniper was to take out the enemy/threat without your presence even being known by them. If you start throwing multiple rounds their way, it seems to defeat the purpose of all that stealth and now you have to deal with a moving target from an incredible distance as well as your enemy now trying to take you out as well.

    I think they should have added 5 seconds to the total elapsed time for every missed shot. As much as I cannot stand him, I do believe George should have been declared the winner. He did a one-shot kill only 5 seconds slower than Brian, who needed 3 shots to do so. Even Jay, who had never fired such a weapon before practice, managed to beat the more experienced Ashley by "walking" his aim, and that was despite the fact Jay took forever to fire off his first round.
     
  15. Apr 6, 2011 #35 of 111
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    If it was .308 in a Remington 700, I would agree with you, but even though Barrett/M82 with .50BMG is a sniper rifle, it is not an anti-personnel rifle, but an anti-materiel rifle. You're shooting vehicles/buildings, not people.

    On top of that, you're never going to be stealthy once you pull the trigger on 50BMG. You want to put as many holes in the target as you can.

    As soon as the elimination course was described, I knew Jay was going to fall. He's just not that quick. I'm also surprised the instructor didn't teach him how to properly quickly load the Garand. Jay's going to get a Garand thumb if he keeps loading the way he was. He was lucky that the M1 they used needed to be lubed and the op-rod needed a tap forward to close the bolt. The clip can be loaded into the magazine quickly and properly with 1 hand, but I saw both competitors using both hands.



    Oh, and George was swinging his 3rd leg around with the 1-shot 1-kill routine. He knew the rule was quickest hit, but had to show off.

    Impressive shot, though.

    Edit: It looks like everybody had help on the initial scope settings. They pretty much all had the right elevation, but only George knew how to read the wind and adjust the windage setting. (I would hope so, since he is a sniper instructor)

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  16. Apr 6, 2011 #36 of 111
    RonDawg

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    OK that explains it then. I thought .50 was a bit large to just kill someone, but hey what do I know? :D
     
  17. Apr 6, 2011 #37 of 111
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    I'm sad to see Jay to go as well, he just has a ton of natural undeveloped talent. If there were ever a competition where the weapon had sights and adjustments removed he'd be top dog. Jamie isn't going to last much longer, even though he's par with the others as shooters, going up to more eliminations is going to get you gone.
     
  19. Apr 6, 2011 #39 of 111
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    Love the post from one of George's friends trying to stick up for him while admitting that he's a ******. Good hearted people don't "run over" old people without a thought. I also love the "I'm never watching again" folks. I call BS! Not only are most of them going to watch, they're going to get friends and acquaintances to watch too.
     
  20. Apr 6, 2011 #40 of 111
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    First, I'm jealous they got to shoot a M82.

    I'm with RonDawg, I can't stand George and he is a total d-bag. Honestly I don't think he's doing the Marines proud by being that way. That was one awesome shot he did though, but I'm sure he's done it dozens of times being an instructor.

    It was a little melancholy to see Jay go. I would of actually loved to see him beat George in an elimination.
     

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