Top Gear Argentina Special

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  1. Oct 5, 2014 #1 of 45
    RonDawg

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    No it has not aired yet. They may not have even started on the editing. But it will probably be their most anticipated episode ever, thanks to a license plate that set off a riot.


    Personally I am a bit skeptical that nobody involved in the filming thought anything of the plate, since in the UK personalized license plates are made using clever combinations of UK-standard number plate sequences, like Richard Hammond's "OL1 V3R" for his beloved Opel "Oliver" from the Botswana special.

    They should have also remembered that 30 years later, losing the Falklands War remains an open, festering wound in Argentine culture, and them being Brits makes it feel like an even bigger insult to them.
     
  2. Oct 5, 2014 #2 of 45
    MarkofT

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    Clarkson wrote about the incident in his weekend newspaper column. Reddit has posted the text since the Times sits behind a paywall.

    He ways he wouldn't have been as subtle with the plate, which was removed days before they made it to Ushuaia. It was all a setup by the local politicians so they could get a boost in popularity.
     
  3. Oct 6, 2014 #3 of 45
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  4. Oct 6, 2014 #4 of 45
    gschrock

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    I'm not real surprised in Ushuaia, they're a little over the top about it over there, and have definitely been known to hassle Brits.
     
  5. Oct 6, 2014 #5 of 45
    pdhenry

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    I was surprised to learn today that Cunard's Queen Mary 2 is calling on Ushuaia during their 2016 circumnavigation. The ship is registered in Bermuda now but it retains a British theme and the officers are British.

    Argentina often refuses entry to any cruise ship that has recently visited the Falklands.
     
  6. Oct 6, 2014 #6 of 45
    gschrock

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    They'll try, whether or not they get to dock will definitely be up for debate. Cunard seems to get turned away somewhat more often than some of the other lines, but any ship that calls at the Falklands have been known to be turned away. (Far less frequently, the Falklands have been known to occasionally cause problems for ships that stop at Ushuaia first).

    This sign is on the docks as you're getting off the ship:
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    My understanding is there were a number of brits on our cruise that ended up deciding to get back on the ship at that point.

    Course, on the Falklands, you have to deal with this as a result of the history there:
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    Ironically, the economies of both places are pretty reliant on tourism dollars, so either place turning away shiploads of visitors is ultimately bad for the locality. (The Falklands don't routinely do it, but I've heard of one or two circumstances where ships weren't allowed to visit because of "illness" on the ship. Missing the Falklands is more common because of weather though.)
     
  7. Oct 6, 2014 #7 of 45
    pdhenry

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    QM2 won't call on the Falklands on this particular trip. I briefly considered a Princess cruise that was to call on the Falklands between Buenos Aires and Ushuaia which is where I learned that such an itinerary can be problematic depending on the mood in Argentina at the time.
     
  8. Oct 6, 2014 #8 of 45
    RonDawg

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    My understanding is that the General Belgrano's last port of call was at Ushuaia before she was sunk by the Brits, so it could be the reason why they in particular take it personally.. The fact that the sinking occurred outside the British-imposed exclusion zone is very sore spot with many if not most Argentinians (as well as some Brits), even though some senior officers of the Argentinian Navy at the time have admitted that the sinking was a legitimate act of war.

    Of course the island where that city is located itself is disputed territory between Argentina and Chile, and because of that Chile chose to back the Brits.
     
  9. Oct 7, 2014 #9 of 45
    gschrock

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    I will say it was an interesting experience to go from Buenos Aries to the Falklands to Ushuaia. In BA, it seems to hardly be much of an issue except when the government is making it an issue (in fact, I know one person that was talking about wearing a falkland islands shirt in BA and had someone there offer to buy it from him (not sure I'd really want to wear a shirt like that there, but they said they really just hadn't thought of it being an issue)). Obviously, in the Falklands and Ushuaia it's far more of an open issue. Our ship was one of the first to do that route that season (for that ship it was it's first trip of the season, cruise before was the trans-atlantic, don't know if any other cruise ships were any earlier that year), so it was one of those things where you just never quite know if they're going to let you stop at Ushuaia or not.

    I know it did cause me to do some digging to learn more about the situation, and I've formed my own opinions about who I think is more in the right. But it's one of those things that I think people should do their own research and make up their own minds on the issue.
     
  10. pdhenry

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    I was under the impression that Falkland Islanders consider themselves to be on the side of the British. No? Haven't been there but I did have some email exchanges with tour guides when we thought we'd be going.
     
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    Yeah, the population there is British, and very much wants to remain British. (If I caused confusion in my post, when I meant was that the feelings are definitely more charged in the two locations, not that the FI's also feel they should be part of Argentina).

    We had a great driver for our trip out to see the penguins there, and it was real interesting to listen to her talk about growing up in the Falklands.
     
  12. RonDawg

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    The Falkland Islanders/Malvinas held a referendum in early 2013 as to whether they preferred to remain British citizens or not. All but 3 votes (one of which was considered null for some reason) indicated a desire to stay with the UK. At least 13 of the residents who voted were Argentinian-born, so at least 10 of them voted to stay with the UK.

    That of course pissed off the Argentine government, who claimed that the Falklanders were "being held hostage" on the island by London.
     
  13. DevdogAZ

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    So they just bought a used car and used the plate that was on the car when they bought it? If that's true, it should be pretty simple to investigate and verify.

    On a very tangentially-related topic, I recently read about a guy who completed 7 marathons in 7 days on 7 continents, and the very first marathon of his trip was in the Falklands, because apparently it's considered to be in the "Antarctic Ecozone" and therefore counts as him running in Antarctica. That was news to me. My only knowledge of the Falklands is from the war in 1982 and therefore, I've always assumed they were just off the coast of Argentina and would therefore be considered to be affiliated with South America rather than Antarctica.
     
  14. RonDawg

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    BUMP: the episode is going to be aired in two parts and is called the "Patagonia Special." Part 1 already aired last week but will be repeated in its entirety tomorrow (Monday the 19th) right before the airing of Part 2.
     
  15. DevdogAZ

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    I'm watching at this moment and it's the typical mix of hilarity and ridiculousness.

    Edit: I've just finished Part 2 and the problem talked about earlier in this thread was apparently much worse than described. Wow!
     
  16. Jesda

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    Falkland war was started by a dictator who wanted to save face.

    Anti-British Argentinians are idiots.
     
  17. RonDawg

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    I watched both episodes last night. It was kind of...lame. The banter was not all that interesting. The shenanigans were terrible: plastering Peugeot badges all over Hammond's Mustang and putting tacky stick-on accessories on Clarkson's Porsche was the best they can do? And I find it hard to believe that they were all that lost given the vast amount of support personnel they bring with them (as you saw at the end).

    Only the scenery, and especially the anticipation of what happened at the end, made it worth watching all the way through. Another positive aspect is that they showed the hospitality of both the Chileans and also the Argentinians, except for some idiots in Tierra del Fuego that are being encouraged by supposed Falklands War veterans.
     
  18. DevdogAZ

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    Agreed that the car-related stuff was kind of weak, but that's always the case on these specials, isn't it? I mean, the location and the challenge(s) end up being the story much more so than the cars.

    I did find it strange that they kept going through all this ridiculous terrain and making the journey seem so brutal, but then they kept showing the Citroen lurking out there and clearly it had made the same journey they had made, so it kind of negated the feeling that their journey was really difficult.
     
  19. Big Deficit

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    Cross Africa special it is not! Still vastly better than that US crap that bares the same name, but lacking when compared to past UK specials. I don't know if it was the writers, producers, cast or combination of all, but it seemed like even though they followed the usual well worn but successful scenario, they weren't really into it this time. Maybe age is catching up? Maybe Patagonia is just boring compared to the other specials locations?
     
  20. heySkippy

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    They can't all be home runs. I think the Vietnam special was the best of all, and they didn't have any cars in that one.
     

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