Tivowebplus 2.0

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by jonphil, Jan 11, 2007.

  1. jonphil

    jonphil New Member

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    I just wondered if anyone had tried the new Tivowebplus 2.0.0 software on a UK Tivo yet?

    http://thomson.tivo.googlepages.com/TivoWebPlus

    I'm currently using the 1.3.1 release, but not sure if I should 'upgrade' or not
     
  2. Raisltin Majere

    Raisltin Majere The 96 YNWA

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    I think John1980 uses a UK Tivo, doesn't he?

    If so, it must work. But then he's clever enough to fix it if doesn't, I'm not :)
     
  3. Pugwash

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    I've only just put 1.3.1 on!
     
  4. andyjenkins

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    I've been running 1.4 for a couple of weeks now .. no problems.

    I'll upgrade to 2.0 now .. and report back in .. ohh .. 10 minutes ??
     
  5. andyjenkins

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    Installation went OK.

     
  6. andyjenkins

    andyjenkins New Member

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    Seems that everything that worked before still works. So yes .. I've run 2.0 on a UK TiVo, and it works.
     
  7. Tony Hoyle

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    Does it add any new features applicable to UK Tivos or is it best to stick with standard TW still?
     
  8. Pete77

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    TivoWebPlus is exactly the same software as TivoWebPlus 1.4 Beta without any changes.

    This is purely a change of name which follows on from a discussion I had with the developer of TivoWebPlus 1.4 Beta on the Tivo Underground section.

    The point we discussed and that he ended up agreeing on was that TivoWebPlus 1.4 Beta is not merely the next version of TivoWebPlus 1.3.1, because unlike 1.3.1 it fails to offer any form of backward compatibility with or support for the old modules written for TivoWeb 1.9.4 (unlike TivoWebPlus 1.3.1), unless the authors of those module agree to co-operate by rewriting them in the TivoWebPlus version of TCL.

    The whole point of TivoWebPlus 1.4 Beta, or TivoWebPlus 2 as it shall hereafter be known, is to overcome the problem of regular unexplained reboots for users of the software using channel platforms with large channel lineups like DirectTv (DTivo) or our own Sky Digital platform. As these platforms have large channel lineups TivoWebPlus 2 works differently in some way in handling the database compared to TW1.9.4 and TWP 1.3.1 so as not to experience the memory overlfow issue that then leads to the eventual complete Tivo reboots when several more demanding TivoWeb modules are used in succession.

    This all seems a very good idea in theory but my only concern is whether we can persuade the authors of seminal TivoWeb 1.9.4 modules like Highlights, Tracker and Daily Mail Jazz to go to the trouble of rewriting them in the TivoWebPlus compliant version of TCL. The author of TivoWebPlus 2.0 (nee 1.4 Beta) assures me the workload involved in adjusting a TivoWeb1.9.4 module for TivoWebPlus is only comparatively modest.

    Another interesting point that came out of this whole discussion is the realisation that those of you who use TivoWeb with only Freeview or even aerial will probably not be getting the unexplained reboots when using TivoWeb but those of us who use Sky Digital or NTL Digital or worse still a dual Sky Digital and Freeview setup will be suffering the reboots quite often when making active use of the TivoWeb interface. It is stopping these reboots under both TivoWeb 1.9.4 and TivoWebPlus 1.3.1 that TivoWebPlus 2.0 aims to achieve.

    See the below link for the Tivo Underground thread and discussion. Its actually a thread about the Manual Record module for TivoWeb and TivoWebPlus, which then developed into a discussion of TivoWebPlus 1.4 Beta for reasons that really aren't worth worrying about. The discussion about TivoWebPlus 1.4 and why it should be called TivoWebPlus 2.0 is all on the page of thread which the below URL inks to:-

    www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=117985&page=6
     
  9. OrangeDrink

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    Wish I could remember if I installed 1.3. or 1.4 now...

    With these reboots would they be less likely to happen if I'd deleted a lot of Channels from my Channel List on Sky Digital?

    Because of viewing habits even though they are received I ditched things like the Music Channels and Childrens Channels from Tivo. Because I was getting Season Pass Upcoming Episodes repeated 14 times for all the BBC regions I scrapped all of those channels too along with a ton of others.

    By doing that have I made it less likely that Tivo will reboot on me?
     
  10. Pete77

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    No it doesn't make any difference according to the TivoWebPlus 1.4/2.0 guy. Its the total size of the database that TivoWeb has to look stuff up in that counts.

    I only have a Freesat Sky setup myself and only have 30 or 40 channels marked as ones I view but I still get the reboot issue. And I went for the dual Sky/Freeview setup from the moment I had Sky installed as well as Freeview and that in turn was before I added the Cachecard so I will never know if I would be rebooting free under TivoWeb if I had stuck to just Freeview alone. But I can't use just Freeview because the signal here is rubbish and I can't get two of the multiplexes reliably half the time.

    Anyhow I thought you were in NZ OrangeDrink so how come the database you are accessing is one covering the Sky Digital channels?
     
  11. Pugwash

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    Cheers for the explanation Pete77. I sometimes find after using TiVoWebPlus 1.2.1 (and now 1.3.1) that my TiVo hangs in some way. It usually becomes unresponsive and pretends to be recording when it's long since crashed.
    I may well try 2.0 this weekend.
     
  12. Pete77

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    But as significant TivoWeb 1.9.4 modules like Tracker and Highlights aren't supported by TivoWeb 2.0 realistically the only sensible option is to run both Tivoweb 1.9.4 and TivoWebPlus 2.0 on the machine both pointing at the same port in their cfg files and then using the latest version of Hackman to change from one to the other if you need to use functions and modules that the other version doesn't support.

    Hopefully in time the TivoWeb 1.9.4 module writers will all be persuaded to rewrite them to be compatible with TivoWebPlus 2.0
     
  13. RichardJH

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    I don't think the latest Hackman 4.2.8 is compatible with TWP 2.0
     
  14. Pete77

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    Well that would mean changing between them using Sanderton's Startup Editor.

    Alternatively you could load them both in the Startup file with tivoweb.cfg files for each pointing at different ports. However this is not advised as having both versions of TivoWeb in memory at once seems to cause serious problems to Tivo's own menus.

    If the author of TivoWebPlus 2.0 wants his product to succeed he needs to persuade Portland Paw to rewrite his Hackman module to make it compatible as soon as possible.
     
  15. OrangeDrink

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    I am now back in NZ, as you probably gathered from my other posts, I set up my old Thomson for my parents in S Wales. As mentioned in another post my dad managed to get it to reboot while TivoWebPlus was attempting to produce the HiGuide page. I'm guessing this could be why it crashed and rebooted. That page does take ages to load and I think he might have started repeatedly clicking "Today" on it. That's my suspicion anyway.
     
  16. Pete77

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    Almost any more demanding TivoWeb 1.9.4 or TivoWebPlus 1.3.1 modules can crash TivoWeb when run in succession, especially if the platform is Sky Digital with its large number of channels and large channel database. The solution to this is reputedly TivoWebPlus 2.0 (formerly 1.4 Beta) but fewer add on modules have so far been made compatible with it.

    Are your parents in South Wales, UK or in New South Wales, Australia?

    If they are in the UK then how did you manage to make a Virgin Tivo work here. Perhaps you had better PM me as I don't think we are allowed to discuss such things in the forum. Or are they in NSW which seems more likely as hacking the Tivo program data in Aus and NZ is the only way to make one work.
     
  17. TCM2007

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    I have not experienced these reboots, so I'm sure it's as much to do with what modules you use as it is the version of TW.

    Also I've run two or even three versions of TW simultaneously (1.9.4, WML, and a some version of TW+) with no issues.
     
  18. Pete77

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    What is your program source? If its Aerial Only or Aerial + Freeview then you won't get these issues as its having a source with a very large EPG that causes the reboot problems apparently.

    I find using two or three very demanding TivoWeb modules in succession like Highlights, Tracker, Now Playing with Sort or Search by Advisory Codes is required to eventually see the Tivo do a reboot. I have modied the TIVOSH_POOLSIZE setting in my tivoweb (no extension) file in my /var/hack/tivoweb-tcl directory to 3244068 as recommended in an effort to overcome this issue.

    The develeoper of TivoWebPlus 2.0 suggests it is the database size for Sky Digital and Direct Tv which causes these issues. His TivoWebPlus v 2.0 is aimed at overcoming these problems but is not compatible with third party moules originally written in a format suitable for TivoWeb v1.9.4 (which TivoWebPlus v1.3.1 provides backward compatibility for but TivoWebPlus v2.0 does not).

    Also having a very large Now Playing list like my 600+ items is no doubt a major contributory factor when running some module like Now Playing with Sort in TivoWeb in causing the reboots. With your hard drive capacity you are unlikely to have a very large Now Playing list.
     
  19. OrangeDrink

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    My folks are in the UK, My old Thomson had a lifetime subscription, it's all legit. All I meant by removing channels was going to the Customize Channels menu and lying to the Tivo telling it I don't get things like the Children's Channels and the BBC Regions just to simplify Season Passes and Suggestions for my parents. Not hacked or anything, just a normal Lifetime Sub TiVo that I put a 300GB HD, CacheCard and TivoWebPlus in. I was home for Xmas, set it up for em and now I'm back in New Zealand where I just bought a US Sony Tivo which I haven't set up yet. Sorry if I gave you the idea I was doing anything dodgy ;)
     
  20. TCM2007

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    Sky.

    Never used Search by Advisory codes as I know where the porn is already. ;)

    Actually my NP is huge as it's merged from two TiVos, the second of which records loads of kid's shows in Basic/Medium.
     

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