TiVoShanan, say it ain't so. Roku is cool though.

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by magnus, Aug 23, 2012.

  1. swinca

    swinca Menace to society

    Jun 19, 2003
    Jaw-ja y'all


    This looks awesome! Two things I love working together. I will be tracking the progress of this.
  2. magnus

    magnus Tivo User

    Nov 12, 2004
    Yep, I love Plex but the plugin for Tivo always asks me for my MAK. So, I have not been able to use it.
  3. Scyber

    Scyber Former ReplayTV User

    Apr 25, 2002
    Yeah, I saw those recent posts in the channel thread. My current local copy of the plugin is so diverged from the production copy that I'm not going to look into that. I hope to have the updated version available for testing sometime in the next two weeks. If that issue still happens with my new version, then I'll address it there.

    Next Wednesday is the last big event of the summer in my personal life, so hopefully after that things should calm down. I managed to work on the channel a few hours last weekend, but I crashed my Tivo during the process so I had to abandon that approach :)
  4. Stormspace

    Stormspace Electrocuted by TiVo

    Apr 13, 2004
    Hartsville, SC
    I'm curious. Do you have to reencode video from third parties to get it to play on the ATV? I know I have to with most video I can get online, but I just convert it to mpeg2 and move it to a TiVo with PyTiVo. Going the other way is just as easy using Kmttg to copy the show from the TiVo, strip out the commericials, and reencode it for the device I need to play it back on. Both are one step processes once I have the recording.
  5. tenthplanet

    tenthplanet Well-Known Member

    Mar 5, 2004


    Similar process take your video and convert it mpeg4 copy the file into iTunes and the atv will pull it off your computer. There are a number of programs that can do the conversion. A number of sites now have videos in mpeg4 and so no conversion is needed.
  6. takeshi

    takeshi Member

    Jul 22, 2010
    Subjective -- just as any use of the word superior/best/better/etc is on any topic. If you're going to use the word in a conversation then at least qualify what you mean. How is it superior? Using what criteria?
  7. mikeyts

    mikeyts Stream Warrior

    Jul 10, 2004
    San Diego,...
    Did you read any more of the thread before posting that response :rolleyes:? I asked the same thing and he responded here.
  8. DocNo

    DocNo Member

    Oct 10, 2001
    Bristow, VA
    Er, that whole Netflix app on my ATV must be a mirage then :p

    News flash - Apple makes money on the hardware, not on the media. Having Amazon, HBO and whoever else they can on their devices is a BENEFIT - not a hindrance. People who suggest Apple is the one blocking are just woefully ignorant about what really motivates Apple.

    By your reasoning the Amazon instant video app on the iPad was a colossal mistake...

    Unfortunately, until the big media players pull their collective heads out of their butts, we aren't going to have a "one size fits all" solution. I have both generations of ATV and a Roku. For the few things like Amazon that the ATV doesn't do, it works - but the UI is ugly and cumbersome. Adding channels was... interesting until I discovered the "secret handshake". It's OK now that I have things configured, but I certainly wouldn't use polished to describe the experience.

    Both devices smoke my Tivo for performance and I have no problem using either of them for Netflix even though I vastly prefer Tivo's remote :p

    If you look at the Amazon and HBO apps that have AirPlay disabled, I think we are seeing a repeat of the music industry. When Apple first got their record deals, they were a small bit player that looked like a stiff breeze my cause them to fold up - they saw it as a low risk endevor. Much to their horror, Apple took over the portable MP3 player market and became the proverbial 200lb gorilla. And made them a ton of $$$ too - but they lost "control" so the mere fact they were also in trouble often gets overlooked (ironically). The video content providers seem determined to screw their fans over even more than the music providers - I dunno what it will take to break the log-jam and bring some sanity to all this.

    So this isn't a deficiency of Apple, per se. The content providers still haven't come to terms that cable and shiny plastic disks from walmart are on the way out - it will be interesting ("May you live in interesting times" interesting unfortunately :p ) to see how much longer they can stumble and flail around stupidly. Neither Apple, Amazon, Netflix, HBO or others own the content - it's all about the deals they can wrangle. Want to change things? Support independent, new content like what Amazon and Netflix are doing in producing their own content in house. That's the only thing that's going to accelerate change, unfortunately.
  9. dugbug

    dugbug New Member

    Dec 29, 2003
    AirPlay is what makes the atv so cool
  10. Stormspace

    Stormspace Electrocuted by TiVo

    Apr 13, 2004
    Hartsville, SC
    Really? Because maybe it's my imagination but Apple wants a 30% cut of all in-app purchases and that is the reason Amazon removed the book store from the Kindle app. Other App vendors did the same.
  11. DocNo

    DocNo Member

    Oct 10, 2001
    Bristow, VA
    Yup - but that 30% cut is still a pittance of Apple's overall profit - it's not this huge driver for evil that many try to make it out to be. And if Apple was really interested in ruling with an iron fist over iOS, then they are really sucking at it by maintaining the most capable mobile browser in webkit/safari :p

    And why shouldn't Apple get a cut? It's well documented iOS users spend more money than then users of other platforms. They have millions of registered users with credit cards on file that are one click away from purchasing. You want tell me there's no value in that? Amazon is one of a few where the market presence Apple brings isn't as critical - so Amazon used an Apple provided mechanism - you can buy on the web instead of an in-app purchase. The trade off is convenience, but as I pointed out Amazon's presence is such that it's not as much an issue for them.

    Indeed, all they removed is the ability to in app purchase. Amazon still has the Kindle and numerous other apps for consuming and using Amazon content and services. Yup, Apple's restrictions sure are crippling :rolleyes:

    As for publishers - the 30% "cut" (as many crudely like to refer to it) wasn't the issue. The issue is Apple does not share purchaser data detail - details that are more valuable to publishers than your measly subscription fee because they then sell that purchaser data as part of their advertising. Your the product! Notice despite all the initial hubbub, most publishers have reversed their earlier protesting and offer in app purchases for subscriptions. Huh - it must have made fiscal sense to play in Apple's sandbox after all.

    Once you get past the religious arguments, as with everything in life it comes down to economics.

    And while all of the above is interesting, it still doesn't address they key point - the content providers, whom companies like Apple, Netflix and Amazon have to negotiate with, are the real problem here. Whether the 30% is an issue for Amazon or not (after all, they know how to "get around" that as they have demonstrated with the Kindle), I doubt they can offer their content on the AppleTV due to restrictions with the content providers. You don't think the Amazon streaming app on the iPad would be much more interesting and compelling if it could stream to the ATV? Do you really think *Amazon* is the one restricting output over AirPlay?
  12. westside_guy

    westside_guy Annoyingly ephemeral

    Mar 13, 2005
    The soggy...
    This. EXACTLY this. I thought Airplay was a gimmick at first... but we've found it to be extremely fun and useful. Even just the iPad mirroring bits are great - but additionally there some apps that take specific advantage of the feature to do really fun stuff. And now that OS X 10.8 has it built-in as well (as long as you have reasonably current hardware), it's even better.

    For people that haven't bought into the Apple universe, though - the Roku is a great box too. It seems a bit silly to argue one is better or worse than the other, really. Hard to argue against a $49 box that does so much.
  13. jollygrunt777

    jollygrunt777 Member

    Feb 27, 2012
    Republic of...
    lmao. Funny and sadly true. :D

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