TiVo's Contract with GraceNote (TMS) ends May 14th

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by SomeRandomIdiot, Mar 29, 2016.

  1. Mar 30, 2016 #81 of 924
    lew

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    A lot of fear doom and uncertainty in this thread. I can't remember a thread where there so many posts with made up facts, assumed facts and misrepresented facts.

    I didn't know tivo's constract with GraceNote ends on May 14. Probably a good date. Basically the end of the tv season

    Is there any doubt tivo is aware of the expiration date? Could Rovi have presented a proposal to tivo? Outlined how they would meet tivo's needs? Maybe working on beta software.

    Could Rovio license use of the program ID numbers? Cash? Exchange of IP rights? Rovio has thousands of patents. Could Rovio claim the numbers are in the public domain and wait to be sued? Not sure tivo would agree to that risk.

    An idiot posted a quote
    That point is with regards to TMS going out of business, with no notice. Tivo has months to prepare.

    If Tivo changes guide data, and software changes are required, will tivo update series 3 units? Earlier units. If they decide to EOL series 2 units will they change the software to allow manual recording?
     
  2. Mar 30, 2016 #82 of 924
    TonyD79

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    I've been in the inside of these things. What you are suggesting is patently illegal. Especially for publicly traded companies.

    These winks you think happen do not. Yes, TiVo may ask THEMSELVES if it makes sense with a potential merger but just one scrap that they spoke to Rovi about it and the deal is off.

    In the meanwhile, TiVo is not going to deliver itself dead on arrival. If they don't have data they are out of business. They still have to negotiate. And rovi is not a potential lover. They are a business. They aren't going to say to TiVo "you continued a relationship with the other man and we are out."

    There are adults involved her. Not children. Not lovers.
     
  3. Mar 30, 2016 #83 of 924
    foghorn2

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    Threres forces out there that want OTA and DVR's Dead, along with DVD's

    They are the ones that want TV to be like music, you don't own anything, you just stream it and pay for it again, again, and again.

    I have a good feeling behind the scenes Apple is manipulating all this so they can be King of Video Distribution. They will destroy TV like they did with Music as we know it while making billions.
     
  4. Mar 30, 2016 #84 of 924
    aaronwt

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    But that would be opposite of how it is now. Any streaming TV content I get from Amazon, Vudu, XBL, PSN etc. I don't have the option to rent it. Only the option to purchase it. And once I purchase it I can watch it many times over. I have titles I purchased over eight years ago I still have access to.
     
  5. Mar 30, 2016 #85 of 924
    rainwater

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    If TiVo went with that method, it would effectively put them out of business. For sure they would make all the changes on the backend instead. Otherwise, even if they were updating the software on the boxes, they would all have to be simultaneously updated in order to continue working. Even Tivo can't manage that.
     
  6. Mar 30, 2016 #86 of 924
    bonscott87

    bonscott87 Done.

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    Actually not just me. For many/most. One only has to venture to the Green Button and other sites to see that. ;)
     
  7. Mar 30, 2016 #87 of 924
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    No, I admit when i am incorrect, unlike you and wizwor.

    try it sometime.
     
  8. Mar 30, 2016 #88 of 924
    lpwcomp

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    Right. Of course you do.
     
  9. Mar 31, 2016 #89 of 924
    jcthorne

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    I got burned buying 'online content' once already. Rhapsody.

    I will never again agree to 'buy' content that I cannot get access to a permanent and un DRM damaged copy on my local storage.

    I do pay for streaming and other rental options but fully understand that I am only paying for current usage. Not ownership.

    As such. the only items in my Amazon library that I 'own' are ones that I got as part of some freebie deal or music that was uploaded from my own collection as a 'match' in my Amazon Music library. I have the original locally.
     
  10. Mar 31, 2016 #90 of 924
    mdavej

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    That one works both ways. Just keep you head in the sand, and you'll be fine.
     
  11. Mar 31, 2016 #91 of 924
    BobCamp1

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    I didn't say they directly spoke to Rovi about it. That's not a wink. I've been in the middle of this as well, but with two private companies. Maybe the rules are different. I know that my company had a project that directly competed with the future parent company, and work suddenly slowed to a crawl. People were taken off of that project. Rumors flew that we were about to be bought. When the acquisition was officially announced, all work on that project ceased the next week. There was no direct order before the acquisition, it was just an assumption made by our company to not waste manpower on something that was more than likely going to be canceled anyway.

    I think we agree, we're just arguing over semantics. Tivo has a responsibility to continue business as usual until the merger happens, so they're going to have to renew the Gracenote contract for one year. However, since they want to remain as attractive to Rovi as possible, and Rovi may make them switch guide data once the merger is complete, they probably won't renew the Gracenote contract for another four year stretch. Tivo will at least put in a clause in the Gracenote contract saying that if they get bought or merge then the contract is dissolved.
     
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  12. Mar 31, 2016 #92 of 924
    BobCamp1

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    I agree, it should be noted that Rovi has the second-best guide data available. Even FYI Television's guide data wasn't that bad. However, there was a definite increase in detail and a small but noticeable increase in accuracy when FIOS switched from FYI to Tribune.

    Since Rovi owns TV Guide, has anybody bothered to go to the TV Guide website and see how accurate the guide data is? Just because Media Center didn't work well doesn't make it Rovi's fault. Microsoft has been known to screw up from time to time.

    It should also be noted that I don't remember FIOS having to perform a software update to use the new guide. But they've performed many updates since then and it was a while ago so I could be wrong.

    Note that Tivo can make these older units run one-time scripts remotely. The Series 1 units still do it four times a year to compensate for the date changes in DST. Maybe that could be used to perform whatever database conversion needs to be done in switching guide data providers.

    None of this may even be necessary, as I don't think Tivo using Gracenote guide data is a deal breaker for the potential upcoming merger.
     
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  13. Mar 31, 2016 #93 of 924
    mdavej

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    Of course. That's the first thing we did when WMC made the transition. The guide data was (and still is) just as terrible on all Rovi powered sites as it was in WMC. If you look at the thread at TGB, it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that most of the issues are Rovi's fault. At least the engineers at Microsoft participated in the thread, addressed our concerns and gave us excellent feedback. Rovi was completely mum.

    We've been through this exact same scenario with WMC and have direct evidence of Rovi's incompetence. How can there be any basis for the idea that when Rovi does the same thing at Tivo, all their inaccurate and missing data will magically be fixed?
     
  14. Mar 31, 2016 #94 of 924
    TonyD79

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    Yes. Common sense comes into play. That is not a wink. That is a business decision based upon facts. But we are too early in this dance (which takes longer with publicly traded companies) for TiVo to be doing that and they have a need to continue with current services. Once the merger is down the road, the decision making changes. Heck, there can still be issued after merger. My company could not even talk to part of an acquisition a few years ago for a period of two years AFTER the acquisition as part of the agreement with the government to allow the purchase.
     
  15. Mar 31, 2016 #95 of 924
    ncted

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    If the guide data starts sucking on my Roamio, I will have little patience before I drop Tivo. The good guide data is a big part of what I am paying for every month. Of course, being monthly makes it a lot easier to drop Tivo if I want to as well.
     
  16. Mar 31, 2016 #96 of 924
    markjrenna

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    I just looked at Comcast and TV Guide... data supplied by Rovi. I looked at my FiOS and Zap2it... data supplied by Gracenote. I'm not seeing anything that looks bad. The data, for the most part, is worded differently but it looks fine to me.
     
  17. Mar 31, 2016 #97 of 924
    lew

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    I take the opposite view. Assume tivo is currently considering using Rovi. Assume Rovi is in the testing stage. The "pressure" is more on Rovi to get it to work then on tivo to change to Rovi even if it doesn't work.
     
  18. Mar 31, 2016 #98 of 924
    lpwcomp

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    We've totally lost sight of the problem identified by the title of this thread - What happens after May 14th?
     
  19. Mar 31, 2016 #99 of 924
    TonyD79

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    I'm not sure that is an opposite view. Just a different angle.
     
  20. schatham

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    I guarantee they already have this covered. Either a contract extension already in place, a contract with Rovi in Place or something similar. No way a company approaches a drop dead date like this!

    For all we know Tivo has been making software changes to switch to Rovi for a year. Maybe those weekend no guide updates have been so they can work on a Rovi transition.

    One more thing, of course the engineers can figure out how to switch guide data providers. Just because some of you can't figure out how does not mean they can't.
     

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