TiVo's Contract with GraceNote (TMS) ends May 14th

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by SomeRandomIdiot, Mar 29, 2016.

  1. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    Jan 31, 2002


    I definitely have my ROamio Pro and two Bolts changed over now. The only thing I've thing major I've noticed is a bunch of recordings for things that wouldn't normally record. But otherwise I'm still getting teh recordings I'm supposed to. And of course I had to go into each box and uncheck the extra channels that became checked.
  2. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Raconteur TCF Club

    Jan 6, 2003
    Pretty much the same. Added back lots of channels. Recording a few shows it shouldn't, primarily Wishlist based. Neither is a big deal.

    But everything that SHOULD record is recording. And the descriptions are much more elaborate.

    So far, much ado about nothing. I'm sure for those who have significant issues, it is much ado. But anecdotally, it seems most of us are ok with it.

    Aside: I tried to explain to my wife why this was a big deal. She asked me if all my shows were still recording. When I told her they were, she said "so what's the big deal. it's just TV".

    It's just TV? Are you insane woman?:eek::p
  3. JoeKustra

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

    Dec 7, 2012
    Ashland, PA...
    Question: has the change always happened overnight? In other words, does the lack of a guide in the morning indicate the change has started. Most posts seem to point that way. I do record late night shows, but that's over by 00:35 EDT. Thanks.
  4. schatham

    schatham Well-Known Member

    Mar 17, 2007
    Yes, unless the user intervenes. If you see no guide data Tivo schedules the update 15 minutes after removing the old data. Then like a new Tivo it takes a few hours to index.

    A way to tell if the update is coming is to check the service update. When you see a failed SO1 error your Tivo will update on the next scheduled time. At this point you could do a restart on your own, then another service connection. This only applies if you received the update last week.
  5. morac

    morac Cat God TCF Club

    Mar 14, 2003


    Just a warning, but the guide transition can have a number of side effects:

    1. Recordings may be deleted if the number of recordings in a folder exceeds the keep at most limit, even if some of those recordings were manual or the keep until date was changed. I lost 15 recordings because of this.

    2. Recordings that used to be suggestions, but aren't anymore because the user changed the keep until date will be moved back into the suggestions folder.

    3. Wish Lists appear to be broken. Old wish lists won't work. New wish lists appear to work, but also appear to continue to try to record after auto-record has been turned off and/or the wish list was deleted.
  6. JoeKustra

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

    Dec 7, 2012
    Ashland, PA...
    Thanks. I tend to let nature take its course, but with two Roamio, two Premiere and three Mini boxes I expect it to be a busy day.
  7. schatham

    schatham Well-Known Member

    Mar 17, 2007
    Don't worry about the mini's. My mini worked with the new guide immediately after the Roamio updated.
  8. Alan Gordon

    Alan Gordon Chancellor

    May 15, 2005
    Dawson, GA
    I'm still waiting on the Rovi data. :(
  9. JoeKustra

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

    Dec 7, 2012
    Ashland, PA...
    Since I have nothing scheduled after Tuesday, I'm sure it will happen before then. :eek:
  10. randian

    randian Active Member

    Jan 15, 2014
    A vain hope in my experience. If somebody hasn't fixed something in a year, it's firm evidence they don't care and it will never be fixed.
  11. PSU_Sudzi

    PSU_Sudzi Well-Known Member

    Jun 4, 2015
    Philly suburbs
    Interesting. I bought the Moxi DVR in 2009 over a TiVo XL (I think that was the model then) as their were no monthly fees and the UI was better then. I loved that thing and only dumped it last year before buying a Roamio.
  12. cogx

    cogx Member

    Sep 22, 2006
    Late to the game here, but looking at the tvguide.com listings for my cable lineup, not completely accurate. I had long ago learned to play the submit lineup errors game to Zap2it, SchedulesDirect.org and TiVo support, but presumably now we just report errors to TiVo support? But, I assume I now have to wait to get the new, error-riddled guide data, before I can do anything, there is no way to proactively get this fixed ahead of time? I'm too old for this nonsense.
  13. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Well-Known Member

    Jan 12, 2014
    Raleigh, NC
    Not necessarily. TiVo has often taken in excess of a year to fix bugs or add features that were promised. Better late than never I suppose. Perhaps TiVo's culture of eventually getting around to fixing longstanding problems will rub off on Rovi.
  14. velouria28

    velouria28 Member

    Sep 22, 2008
    You might get lucky like I did. TVGuide has a bunch of channels on the wrong feed for my cable provider (West when they should be East) but the Rovi guide on the Tivo is completely correct.
  15. JWhites

    JWhites New Member

    May 14, 2013
    Just to add, I'm also using a Comcast supplied X1, and the program descriptions and cover art match exactly what I'm now seeing on Rovi supplied TiVo program information. Furthermore, in looking in the mini biographies of some celebrities via the X1, they're authored by Rovi employees. I think it can be definitively said that Rovi supplies Comcast. [​IMG]
    Last edited: Aug 28, 2016
  16. JWhites

    JWhites New Member

    May 14, 2013
    Yeah, I did the exact same thing. To be honest, I still prefer the Moxi over the TiVo. I still have both the two tuner DVR and it's Mate sitting safely in a box with recordings on it. I cried when Moxi was sold to Arris, a company at the time was unknown to me. I only switched to TiVo because they stopped selling them, otherwise I woulda bought more. Best DVR ever.
  17. JoeKustra

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

    Dec 7, 2012
    Ashland, PA...
    In preparation for the change I looked at tvguide.com for some indication of differences. I first found out my headend is not listed. The headend that is listed has been discontinued for 2 years or more. I also see that tvguide.com doesn't have an icon for "finale" or "premier". They just list it as new, and you need to check the description which doesn't have season or episode numbers. I see it has a lot of ads but is easier to navigate. The zap2it guide goes out to 9/12, the tvguide goes out to 9/11 I think, since it stops showing the date after 9/10. But all the channels look ok.

    There does seem to be more OTA problems than cable problems. This is not unexpected since Rovi does supply guides to mostly cable companies and there's going to be some growing pains to fix all the content and channels.
  18. mrizzo80

    mrizzo80 Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Does Gracenote provide Netflix metadata to TiVo as well or does TiVo maintain that on their own? If Gracenote provides it, how is Rovi's metatdata for Netflix and other OTT services? TiVo search has been unaware that 30 for 30 is available on Netflix for a really long time; I'm wondering if this type of situation will improve with Rovi. TiVo also has issues with all sorts of PBS-based Amazon Prime content not showing up.
  19. mangochutney

    mangochutney Member

    Apr 7, 2015
    Wow, this Rovi data absolutely sucks. I mean....it's like it's some grade 12 homework that the dog ate.
  20. Space

    Space Active Member

    Jan 13, 2002
    When WMC first transitioned from Gracenote to Rovi, the "Premiere" and "Finale" indicators went missing. After some complaints, they re-appeared, however only for broadcast networks (ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox). Those indicators for all other channels have never returned. I don't know if this is due to Rovi not having the info, or some problem with Microsoft's importing of the data.

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