TiVo's Contract with GraceNote (TMS) ends May 14th

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  1. Alan Gordon

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    Interesting belief...

    A quick check of TV Guide online shows considerably less channels than I can receive.

    A quick check of TV Guide online also shows no filmographies for multiple people that Gracenote lists... including one WishList I have set up.

    A quick check of TV Guide online shows programs like "American Idol" and "The Voice" have major cast listing issues.

    Rovi data has some things correct that Gracenote doesn't. Gracenote has some things correct that Rovi doesn't.



    Is your friend having any issues with his TiVo with the Rovi guide data?
     
  2. Jed1

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    Another big loser in this deal is Arris. Their Arris Whole Home Solution (Moxi) uses TMS for it s guide service. Without TiVo the cable ops that use the Moxi setup will now have to do the line up changes themselves.
    Before it was TiVo that would upgrade the lineups which would also automatically update the Tribune database which in turn would update the Arris Moxi units.

    One thing I do miss from TV Guide data was they would label Season Finale or Series Finale with the listings info. Also it was very rare that the listings were wrong or not updated.
    Also the channel logos were a Gemstar idea and you could turn them on and off in the guide. Also giving colors to the different type of programming was a Gemstar idea. Like green for sports, purple for movies, blue for children.

    The TVGOS setup would contact the database 4 times during the day so if the president was going to speak and preempt programming the guide would be updated on the last database contact at 5 PM.

    I don't know if there will be a change on how often the TiVo will contact the database as that will be up to TiVo. But it is possible for it to be done that way as TV Guide On Screen worked that way.
     
  3. rainwater

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    I highly doubt the quality of the guide data has anything to do with Gracenote's contracts with the different providers.
     
  4. Alan Gordon

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    DirecTV (who uses Gracenote) would (most of the time) have Season Finale/Series Finale tags as well.

    It may be TiVo that is excluding these tags from the listings.
     
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    No he said that his TiVo is working better the new one he had before
     
  6. rainwater

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    Directv augments Gracenote guide data with their own data (or through other providers). I believe TiVo does this with some of the OnePass streaming data but not for things like season/series finales.
     
  7. Space

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    Rovi used to own TV guide before they sold it off. tvguide.com is now owned by CBS and the paper publication is owned by NTVB Media.

    tvguide.com (CBS) has a contract with Rovi to provide the listings.
     
  8. Alan Gordon

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    I've never really seen anything the DirecTV guide data has had that the TiVo guide data does not (other than the finale tags and the occasional difference in logos).
     
  9. TonyD79

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    Season and series (and movie) Premieres and LIVE as a keyword.
     
  10. TonyD79

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    I'm confused. Fios and TiVo have matched since I got TiVo again. If TiVo used gracenote then how did fios match if they didn't?
     
  11. Alan Gordon

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    I forgot Movie Premieres and LIVE.

    The TiVo obviously knows about Live though, or it wouldn't ask you if you wanted to pad the recording.
     
  12. mdavej

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    The two links I posted are the only sources I have for this information. Your experience suggests that Fios is indeed using Gracenote despite the fact their website doesn't acknowledge it. Looks like the trend now is for all TV providers to drop Gracenote, which is a shame :(
     
  13. TonyD79

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    It knows something but it may use some logic to determine it (sports event and same day?). Fios does tag things as live in their guide.

    Maybe we are at a point where guide data isn't all that. If the channels provide information maybe the grace notes et al are just conveying it.
     
  14. foghorn2

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    When I had the Hopper, the Dish guide said TV Guide. Isn't that Rovi?
     
  15. TonyD79

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    Okay. TiVo is not tagging items as live. I just tried to record the rerun of the lacrosse finals starting at 8. It told me it was live and asked to add time.

    I think it sees "Event" and same day and thinks it is live.
     
  16. lew

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    Posters are making assumptions without any facts to support them. We have no idea if the client list on Gracenote's website is inclusive. There might be clients which don't want to be listed. There might be clients Gracenote doesn't want to list.

    Likewise a generic listing on Rovi's site might not mean much. Doesn't Rovi get a royalty for using a grid display of listing, regardless of the source of guide data?
     
  17. markjrenna

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    That's exactly correct. " It may be TiVo that is excluding these tags from the listings. "

     
  18. markjrenna

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    I know for a fact, FiOS uses Gracenote. And so does TiVo (for now).

     
  19. CoxInPHX

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    This brings up an interesting thought. Arris purchased Moxi for the UI. But, I don't believe Arris ever updated the original Moxi UI much, if any. The Data Sheet is dated June 2011.

    Now Arris has also purchased Pace, which uses TiVo software for it's hardware for certain MSOs. It makes me wonder if Arris and TiVo will become closer partners.
     
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