TiVo's Contract with GraceNote (TMS) ends May 14th

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  1. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    How is this a valid way to check Rovi's data if it hasn't been updated in three years and no longer belongs to Rovi?
     
  2. Jed1

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    Because data comes from Rovi. The data is not only the guide listings it also includes the channel lineups. If you have WMC check your cable listing to what is on that site and they will be the same. This is why I don't use WMC anymore because the listings are from 2013. I have tried to get the listings updated but nobody ever responds to my emails. I just tried three weeks ago and have not heard anything back so I gave up.
    When Rovi dumped the TV Guide On Screen service that was in retail devices, they stopped updating the listings as the guide service was mainly used for OTA listings. The contacts I had at Rovi were all let go when that service was ended.
    All of Rovis business is dealing with the MSOs and they have no dealings with retail customers so I do not see them to continue with retail TiVo owners to far in the future.
    They are buying TiVo in order to use the User Interface to replace the old I Guide and Passport Echo Software that is currently being used in a lot of MSO cable boxes. The I Guide and Passport Echo software was acquired when they bought Gemstar who owned TVGuide.
     
  3. smark

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    I looked at my area and the listings look updated. Comet for example is listed and that is a new channel.
     
  4. Alan Gordon

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    Both Comet and Grit TV that have launched in my market in the last several months are listed on TV Guide as well.

    HOWEVER, the problem with TV Guide has always been the same... I receive channels from (at least) three different markets, but TV Guide only provides me with guide data for my own (plus an Atlanta DMA station for some reason). I may literally wake up one morning with guide data for 1/4 (or less) of the channels I can receive OTA.

    To make matters worse, I cannot receive my market's CBS OTA as they do not provide a very large broadcast coverage area, so if TIVO uses the Rovi guide data that TV Guide uses, all my CBS OnePasses will be rendered worthless and I'll be forced to do manual recordings until such a time as I can get TIVO to (hopefully) add these channels to my lineup.
     
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  5. JoeKustra

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    That's better than I get on TiVo/zap2it for Comet. TitanTV also has Comet.
     
  6. TonyD79

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    I use the TV Guide app on my iphone when travelling. It has been dependable.
     
  7. jcthorne

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    Tivo does not add channels to OTA line up based on location lookup tables. They are based on psid tags in the data stream picked up when the tivo does the channel scan from your antenna. IE you will have data for stations you actually get no matter if they are in your 'area' or not.
     
  8. Alan Gordon

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    I was confused as all get out about your post until I re-read mine (I will go back and edit my post).

    I KNOW I will have access to said channels via the TIVO. I was referring to GUIDE DATA. I will have to setup manual recordings on several channels until Rov... err, TIVO, re-adds them to my channel lineup and I can use OnePasses again.
     
  9. JoeKustra

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    I have a Premiere set for OTA and cable just for fun. I have done a scan, with no channels found. My channel list and guide includes stations I will never receive without a 500 foot tower. Some are 100 miles away and under 10 kw. I don't believe TiVo cares what you receive, only where you live.
     
  10. kokishin

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    I checked Comcast in my area. Based on a brief perusal, the guide data seemed up to date. I did observe that Tivo has more channel logos though.
     
  11. aaronwt

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    I just checked FiOS in my area for tonight. It seems to match what shows up on my TiVo. So I guess I don't see a problem except for the actual process of switching from GraceNote.
     
  12. Alan Gordon

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    Mine was mixed. Obviously, I get more channels with the GraceNote guide than TV Guide, but of the channels in common, it was a mixed bag.

    Zap2it and TiVo have the logo for ABC and The CW which TV Guide (online) does not. TV Guide has the logos for Grit and Comet, which Zap2it and TiVo do not.

    I don't think it really matters about logos though, since TiVo's the one doing the adding and removing of logos.
     
  13. morac

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    I checked the listing and they seem correct, but I think the real test will be when channel changes are made. Currently changes that Comcast makes show up the day of the change, based on the change notifications in my bill. That wasn't always the case, but it's been pretty consistent for years now. Will that still happen?

    My understanding is that Comcast sends out change notifications to Gracenote and I guess Rovi and it's up to those companies to push those changes out to their customers in a timely manner. Is Rovi as good at doing that as Gracenote?
     
  14. Space

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    Absolutely not to both questions.

    I have a channel that was added to my lineup over a moth ago and it just got added yesterday to the Rovi lineup (FiOS).
     
  15. TonyD79

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    What channel was that? Local or national?
     
  16. morac

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    I really don't know how TiVo expects to switch off of Gracenote. Do they expect every TiVo customer to re-run guided setup?
     
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    Jrr6415sun

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    why exactly is guide data so expensive? I mean there's only so many channels and time slots, it can't take that much work.
     
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    JoeKustra

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    Try this. Go to www.zap2it.com. Enter your zipcode. How many options are presented for a lineup? Just two? Or more if you have a DMA that spans several counties and providers. Imagine having a database, changing daily, for all the zipcodes and headends in the U.S. to maintain. A person could make money with such a database.
     
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    ajwees41

    ajwees41 Well-Known Member

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    are you sure Rovi provides the guide data? Cox has Rovi guides, but uses TMS/Gracenote for guide data
     
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    markjrenna

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    MSO's... Cable/Satellite operators create their own guide or use a third party guide. The guide data (for what's on TV) is independent of the guide itself.

    FiOS, for example, used Microsoft's guide before 2008 and used FYI for guide data. From 2008 on, FiOS created their own guide (IMG) and used FYI for guide data. In 2014 FiOS switched guide providers from FYI to TMS (now Gracenote) and continues to use their own IMG guide.
     

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