TiVo's Contract with GraceNote (TMS) ends May 14th

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  1. Mar 29, 2016 #1 of 924
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    TiVo's Contract with GraceNote (TMS) ends May 14th.

    The original 5 year agreement went into effect May 14,2007 and TiVo renewed for an additional 4 year term, taking the contract to May 14, 2016.
     
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    JoeKustra

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    Zap2it has changed their copyright to Gracenote. TiVo (Roamio) still says TMS.
     
  3. Mar 29, 2016 #3 of 924
    Dan203

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    If they're going to switch to Rovi (buyout or not) now would be the time.
     
  4. Mar 29, 2016 #4 of 924
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    That is what struck me.

    One wonders with all the Rovi/Sale talk if Gracenote would give them a 1 year extension.

    If I were at Gracenote, I sure would not.
     
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    Dan203

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    For all we know they might have been planning for this switch over for a long time and are ready to flip the switch as soon as the contract is up.
     
  6. Mar 29, 2016 #6 of 924
    DevdogAZ

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    I would think just the opposite. If you have a customer that's certainly going to leave you at some point in the future, but they're wanting to stay with you in the near term, then lock them up for as long as they'll agree to be locked up. If Gracenote's alternatives are to lose all revenue from TiVo after May, or get another year's worth of revenue, then it's a no-brainer to get another year.
     
  7. Mar 29, 2016 #7 of 924
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    Clearly you don't negotiate.

    It's a no brainer to say 4 year minimum....no outs - take it or leave it.

    TiVo is a minor player in Gracenote's revenue.

    Or then again, I guess you could always sell them a 4 year extension - at the same price as the 1 year extension.

    TiVo may not be in a position to turn it down - but quite frankly, I believe they could use their $100M R&D budget along with Rovi coders to adapt the guide in several weeks if need be.

    Remember @home tried a similar tactic and MSOs were able to put in complete ISP Providers to a much larger base in several weeks.

    A Guide Adaptation would be much easier.
     
  8. Mar 29, 2016 #8 of 924
    jth tv

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    I hope it does not require any action by me if they switch, because I'll be out RV'ng for 2+ months starting just about then. Last time, my Roamio Basic with antenna worked Perfectly unattended, didn't miss anything.
     
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    lpwcomp

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    Changing program information providers would be far more difficult than you think. The seriesIds and programIds on which TiVo scheduling is totally dependent are assigned by TMS.
     
  10. Mar 29, 2016 #10 of 924
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    Again, it can be done....even if starting same day....then 1 days out....2 days out etc.

    Much more difficult feats have been accomplished with far little effort.
     
  11. Mar 29, 2016 #11 of 924
    lpwcomp

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    You just don't get it. The seriesIds and programIds are available ONLY FROM TMS.
     
  12. Mar 29, 2016 #12 of 924
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    I do get it. RoVi also has a service that can be modified for TiVo.

    Banks merge. Account numbers get changed and merged. And the world does not end.

    RoVi can assign any serial number or set of numbers to a Series or a Program that they can easily put in their database for the Series and Program.

    In fact, unless something in TiVo's agreement with TMS prevents it, RoVi could use the same SerialIDs and ProgramIDs for programs up to this point in 2 new data fields in the RoVi Database, which TiVo would then pull from.

    It can be done - again, all they need to do is start with current day and then work forward.
     
  13. Mar 29, 2016 #13 of 924
    TonyD79

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    Are you sure rovi doesn't have something analogous? Looking at their products it looks like they would. The quality of the data and consistency may be a different issue.
     
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    mrizzo80

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    Yes, it can be done. But unless you are familiar with TiVo's infrastructure, you can't make the statements you are making.

    If you were a programmer, you'd know this.
     
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    JoeKustra

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    It's Rovi, not RoVi.
     
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    lpwcomp

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    No, it can't.

    It's way more complicated than simply changing an account number.
    All of the existing SPs/1Ps, ToDo List entries and data for recordings would have to be modified on every TiVo still in service.

    They could not continue to use the data if there is no agreement with TMS.

    No, it can't.
     
  17. Mar 29, 2016 #17 of 924
    TonyD79

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    That is far from Impossible. Actually that is a pretty simple search and replace.
     
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    lpwcomp

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    While that part of the process may be simple, deploying it to and executing it on every TiVo still in service is not.
     
  19. Mar 29, 2016 #19 of 924
    DevdogAZ

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    I would think it would be relatively simple (time consuming, but not complicated) to create a new database where SeriesID X maps to NewSeriesID Y and EpisodeID AA maps to NewEpisodeID BB. Once the entire database is built, then it's it's pushed to all existing TiVo boxes via a firmware upgrade and existing SPs/1Ps should continue to work exactly like they always have.

    What am I missing?
     
  20. Mar 29, 2016 #20 of 924
    lpwcomp

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    What you're missing is the fact that it would be required on every TiVo model that has even one instance still in service. Not to mention the CPU cycles and I/O that would be necessary. No TiVo has a lot of either just lying around.

    There are a lot of solutions that are easy to describe. Executing them is a b***h.
     

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