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Tivo's consumer DVR Future.

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Isaiah, Feb 5, 2018.

  1. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    Transfer directly from the PC? No. TiVo has declared this capability to be "obsolete". The only thing you could do is transfer it to a Premiere or non-Hydra Roamio or Bolt and then use the website to transfer it to the Hydra Bolt.
     
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  2. ah30k

    ah30k Well-Known Member

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    Well. they certainty aren't going to make money off of our cheap asses. This group collectively would probably want TiVo to invest a billion dollars just because we are "loyal users" who bought a TiVo a decade ago.
     
  3. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    This is the real issue. Once cable companies start to transition to IP then TiVo is screwed and there is nothing they can do to make consumer DVRs.
     
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  4. Mikeguy

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

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    You mean, for "cable," right? OTA will be just fine.
     
  5. rdrrepair

    rdrrepair Or, Bill Knapp

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    But, if TiVo is not around, you'll have to record without guide data and eventually your clock will start to drift. Then all your recordings from that point forward will be unmarked.
     
  6. Mikeguy

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

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    Certainly--I was talking TiVo OTA.
     
  7. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    You're forgetting that the "new" TiVo is not just in the DVR business.
     
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  8. clay.autery

    clay.autery Member

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    Off Topic, but this time related reference grabbed my attention....

    Are you saying a TiVo devices HAVE to get it's time information from the home office? It can't get it from the network?

    I've gone through a lot of trouble providing my local network with time references accurate to the nanosecond.... Hmmmm... ;)
     
  9. JoeKustra

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

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    Everything you wanted to know about TiVo's time acquisition -> Clock off in Roamio by 2 minutes

    PSIP is only used for sub-channel indexing.
     
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  10. rdrrepair

    rdrrepair Or, Bill Knapp

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    TiVo's call home for time. We've had a few weeks recently were they've been off by up to two minutes. It appears that They're getting that under control now. All my recordings are padded as a result. With 6 tuners on two, and 4 tuners on another, I have never had a conflict issue.
     
  11. clay.autery

    clay.autery Member

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    Thanks... I'll go read up.

    Hmmmm.... seems like it wouldn't be a big deal to offer an option in software that would allow you to input an IP/URL as an override. My TiVo, like the rest of my network, has access to a local Stratum-2 NTP server. Even a pool server would likely be better than calling back to TiVo...
     
  12. JoeKustra

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

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    It's not calling specifically to set the time. Time is set as part of the normal daily service connection. An internet diagnostic test will also set the time.
     
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  13. clay.autery

    clay.autery Member

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    Oh yes, I understand.... it calls in for guide updates, time, et al. :)
     
  14. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    CableCARD aside, you'll make a lot of customers happy if they can just add a network-based multi-tuner device, able to integrate with existing TiVo boxes, to support OTA ATSC 3.0 if/when that rolls out. :D
     
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  15. Diana Collins

    Diana Collins Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    That happened YEARS ago. If TiVo didn't have their MSO customers they would have never been able to finance anything after the Series 3s. The MSO business, and patent income, has kept them afloat until the Rovi merger.
     
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  16. HerronScott

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

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    As stated you can't transfer shows back to the Bolt but you can stream shows to the Bolt with Hydra with Plex.

    Scott
     
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  17. mattack

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    Heck, I'm definitely 100% a lifetime fan.. but would pay a MUCH smaller fee as a monthly continuing stream IF it meant bugs actually fixed (make streaming/downloading to iPad usable -- I know it works for some, it basically has never worked reliably for me -- takes literally tens of tries at least to get most shows downloaded.. enough that I finally just subscribed to Hulu no commercials instead to use at the gym instead of trying to use my Tivo that I paid for)..
     
  18. djones18

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    Good discussion but back to OP's question. TiVo boxes remain operable as long as they remain profitable AND the FCC mandates Cable Companies support them. Here in D.C., we're in a time of major de-regulation. Should the FCC under Cable Co pressure abolish the regulation requiring Cable Co's to support cable cards not installed in their devices, expect them to rapidly stop support. That means no more tuning adapters, no more cable card support and no more head-end tech support.

    TiVos which lack external antenna inputs have always occupied a precarious operating space. They are totally dependent on outside companies to provide technical and operational expertise to keep tuning adapters, cable cards, and signal inputs finely balanced. As a TiVo owner from day one, I've watched my Cox Cable Company grudgingly evolve support for TiVo. I have no doubt it would drop support if FCC Title 47 of the Code of Federal Regulations was amended to abolish support for TiVo and similar devices.
     
  19. Anotherpyr

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    Toast removed that functionality years ago and the last version that had it didn't work with the roamio models.
     
  20. rdrrepair

    rdrrepair Or, Bill Knapp

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    I found that Section 76.640(b) of the FCC's rules describes "point-of-deployment modules," which are now commonly called CableCARDs.

    Click here for CableCARDs rules and info.

    There are tv sets and other devices besides TiVo that use CableCARDs. I'd like to think that these will be supported for the foreseeable future. In my area I've got two carriers that support CableCARDs and could easily switch between them. I choose FIOS because you don't need to use a Tuning Adapter.

    Cloud based DVRs and using ip to deliver programming is happening. Streaming and cord cutting will cause some companies to merge. Brighter future? Time will tell.
     

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