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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by foghorn2, Oct 7, 2018.
At the risk of its own DVR product?
Gracenote is better than Rovi. If Amazon cannot get Rovi, they go for Gracenote. Under no circumstances does Amazon using Rovi instead of Gracenote adversely impact TiVo.
Who else uses Gracenote for program guide data?
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There's zap2it.com of course.
I see Amazon Music on that Gracenote list already. So there's a glimmer of hope they'll use them for Recast too.
It is interesting that of all the MVPDs, only DirecTV is using Gracenote
Does anyone have any experience with both the DirecTV and Tivo EPGs? How do they compare for accuracy/consistency/completeness?
I haven't had DirecTV for a very long time. But Tivo used to use Gracenote before Rovi, and I had Gracenote on WMC for years. There is no comparison. Gracenote is far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far better in every respect. I hesitate to call Gracenote perfect, but it's pretty darn close. Not just with the part you see but all the data you don't see, like new/repeat flags, first aired dates, etc. - all the stuff that makes your recordings actually work. Most of that went out the window with Rovi.
Had DTV up till 3 years ago and the guide was flawless. Always accurate with good program descriptions.
It was real time corrected for pre-empted stuff like Presidential addresses. The TiVo guide always seems to be in a different space time continuum.
TiVo is at a disadvantage because they are not a broadcaster or transmitter so there's no central facility that monitors transmissions in real time. Where DTV or Dish can view a customer's transmission at their uplink center in real time to identify or correct mistakes immediately TiVo can't see anyone's TV.
As TiVo customers we have to convince a CSR that can't see our TV what is wrong. We can't move the phone close enough to our TV so the CSR can see it and then add the language complication it can become REALLY frustrating.. Reporting a guide issue using the online form is as bad as using the phone as it seems whoever sees the report doesn't read it or lacks the knowledge and local experience to understand the symptoms reported.
EDIT: The guide is the engine that makes the TiVo service work. When the guide is not accurate and corrections are not timely TiVo shoots itself in the wallet.
TiVo used to.
Spectrum in my area uses Gracenote for their boxes.
Comcast uses Gracenote.
As others have noted, Gracenote guide data is used by the two largest MVPDs in the nation, Comcast and AT&T. I would imagine some smaller ones use it too. At the other end of the spectrum, Gracenote data is also used (I think) by all of the OTA DVR services on the market outside of TiVo: Tablo, Plex, Channels, and SiliconDust.
Hmm. So basically everyone uses Gracenote apart from Tivo because it's way better. Tivo was using Gracenote, but switched to Rovi metadata following the acquisition and this was a "synergy"?
Definitely. You're right about what they're doing with the Bolt though. The Bolt will be a direct competitor to the Recast, albeit at a much high price, when they release the apps for streaming devices. At that point, just unplug the HDMI from the Bolt and you have a headless device. However, I agree that they should move forward and package a headless device once they have the kinks worked out, and put the hardware towards more transcoders and whatever other hardware it would need to succeed in that market. It would definitely be easier to market and install than the existing TiVo system. Hopefully they will throw the enthusiasts a bone, and allow for 1080i MPEG-2 streaming out of the box for devices that support it, and 1080p MPEG-4 for ones that don't. Maybe when they release an ATSC 3.0 DVR. We can hope, right?
When you no longer have to pay for something that you were previously paying for, yes that's synergy.
At the same time, there still is a cost, likely both accounting-wise as well as real-life-wise.
Sure, but I put synergy in quotes because it seems they saved money but compromised product quality
There is usually a tradeoff between cost and quality.