TivoPC (aka Nero Liquid TV)

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  1. sledhed

    sledhed New Member

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    Wow, no guide data. That would mean all the users they just got by selling the discounted LiquidTV setup all just bought a product that less than a month later won't work as advertised... I would think they would HAVE to continue to provide guide data or provide some sort of upgrade path to something viable. Or get sued for misrepresenting their product.
     
  2. travisc77

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    I guess a bummer if planned to use it as advertised, I bought mine for $30 just for the tuner and the remote. I figured it was a good deal just for those items.

    I can always use another remote and the tuner is a decent one.
     
  3. sledhed

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    That is mainly why I bought mine too, but I do like my TiVos as well and the idea of making my PC act like a TiVo was appealing. Just didn't work too well in execution. If indeed there is no guide data any more then I am not going to try to solve my install / run problems.
     
  4. timmie88

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    Latest message on the Nero board still shows no resolution for the guide issue for LiquidTV.

    BTW, since I'm not getting guide data, I switched to Windows Media Center (since I installed on Windows Vista Ultimate), and it appears that Media Center is a lot less CPU intensive than LiquidTV. The channels that weren't working under LiquidTV all come in under Windows Media Center. Apparently the extra CPU usage causes them not to render under LiquidTV (specifically those channels that are higher in quality).

    My PC is a Athlon II X2 and I'm surprised it's barely enough CPU for LiquidTV.

    Oh and as someone else mentioned elsewhere, the Tivo remote and receiver that comes with the Nero package does work with Windows Media Center (at least channel change, fast forward, rewind and record work).
     
  5. sledhed

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    Interesting. I was going to try to use it on a Celeron D 2.8GHz, probably would not have worked too well on there if your dual-core was hit that hard...
     
  6. timmie88

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    My first attempt was on an Athlon XP 2400+ single core; running XP Pro. Liquid TV didn't work at all, the processor couldn't render any of the channels. I suspect a lot of posts about LiquidTV having blank channels is related to under powered machines.

    Nero's recommendation for a single processor is that it be a minimum of 3.0Ghz, so that would indicate you really need more to be comfortable; especially if other things are running. I also keep A/V and anti-malware running in the background which is probably affecting my CPU usage.
     
  7. sledhed

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    The Celery install was just to give it a try, sounds like it was inadequate then. The latest version crashed on startup continuously anyway. To me it would seem that you would want this product to be able to run on lower end PCs so they could be dedicated to HTPC tasks, but it has to do with the hardware included as well I suppose. Oh well. I will try Windows 7 when I finally install that free upgrade I got from HP on the laptop... the same laptop I spent so much time getting XP Pro to run on...
     
  8. timmie88

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    Guide data appears to have been repaired if you do this:

    Go to Mesages & Settings and then Reset System, and then Repeat Guided Setup.

    That's what they're saying on the Nero board; I tried it last night and got partial guide data
     
  9. jmace57

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    OK - is the Nero site down? I purchased this before Christmas and am just getting around to installing it. Activation does not work - keeps saying I have "Invalid Service Data" and to try again later. I go to the web-site (Nero) and, as you say, it says they no longer SELL the product. They want me to do the $1.29 per minute technical support to talk to anyone about it. I will say that I will be pissed if I bought this in December and they cut off support in January...

    Jim

    PS - I should mention I have tried it using the activation code I have...and also tried the 30 day free trial - I get the same error message even when I try the free trial...
     
  10. sledhed

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    At least yours does not crash at startup like mine does... :mad: I eventually uninstalled everything including the latest version and used their clean tool (which I hear does not clean well)...
     
  11. daveak

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    You are better off just using the tuner and the software the manufacturer of the tuner provides.
     
  12. jmace57

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    Yeah - I reinstalled the latest version of software and was finally able to activate...got the guide data...but now it doesn't recognize the tuner. I am going back to Media Center as it works fine with this Hauppage tuner - picked up QAM stations as well. What a fouled-up product.
     
  13. gtaylor

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    Received this from my son at Christmas. He told me he paid $25 and to hope for the best.

    Reading this thread I guess my best hope is to just use the tuner standalone. I would use it on a pc without MediaCenter, so is there any free software available to access the tuner, forgetting about TiVo completely?

    There was a mention of Hauppauage WinTV above, but it appears that it requires a seperate license.

    gary

    Edited to add, any ideas about somehow using the 1 year TiVo subscription to add to an existing unit?
     
  14. sledhed

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    Take a look at slickdeals dot net forums, there is a whole thread about these on there, including how to get the remote to work with windows media center, and I am sure somewhere on there it said how to get the hauppauge (sp?) software going too, without a prior license.

    This might have been the thread, there were a couple as this went on sale a couple times:

    http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1734639

    good luck! I look forward to finding the time to play with this tuner.
     
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  16. Pokemon_Dad

    Pokemon_Dad Ruler of Unown UI

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    Sorry can't answer that - I am not interested in activating the second package I bought to find out - but for $35 my purchase was worth it just for the tuner.

    Even if the service still works, it won't pick up anything that needs a cablecard, and good luck using it with an external cable box, but OTA and SD cable come in just fine with the LiquidTV software, and with other software the tuner picks up Clear QAM including HD channels. You can use the tuner with BeyondTV, Hauppauge TV and many others if you have the time and patience to set them up. Given how much time you could waste struggling with LiquidTV, you're better off focusing on one of those others instead.

    The great potential of LiquidTV was TiVo-like ease of setup and ease of use, but they didn't devote enough resources to product planning, development and testing. The result was a buggy, feature-poor disappointment. These problems were not insurmountable, but some folks at Nero just killed it instead. (Like everyone else here, I have an opinion about why they did that...but I just deleted it. ;))
     
  17. Thom

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  18. rayik

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    That is because ebay changed their listing fees. Any item 99 cents or under is free to list. $1.00 or over they charge a listing fee. Also, ebays final fee now includes both the sale price and the shipping charge. (It used to be sale price only and not include shipping fees.)

    With those changes, I would expect a lot more 99 cent items list.
     
  19. Dimitri

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    Is there any way to use a LiquidTV sub on an old tivo box?
    Thanks.
    D
     
  20. Pokemon_Dad

    Pokemon_Dad Ruler of Unown UI

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    No. That would be nice, but no, it's tied to this particular product.
     

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