Tivo4UK Petition

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by bixbarton, Feb 17, 2009.

  1. Pete77

    Pete77 New Member

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    Electric cars all have hopeless range and also nearly as much carbon is burned to create the electricity.

    The only long term hope are hyrdrogen cell cars but those seem to be a way off yet.
     
  2. cyril

    cyril Active Member

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    9 months of Sir Fred's pension pay is probably enough to get a new TiVo for the UK off the ground :(

    Admitedly it is the 'reward the risk-takers' system (government+FSA+banking/insurance system+credit rating system) that is to blame rather than simply the odd individual.

    In a big company the guys who say 'look I've just saved you from enormous risks but cost you a million in losses by hedging' never get paid or listened to as much as the guys who say 'look I've made you a million profit now even though you might lose a few billion in a few years time as we will have retired and/or it will be someone else's problem then'.


    Long range electric cars are close to production any day now. 200 mile range http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/01/23/ssc_pledges_ev_aero/
    as opposed to the 125 mile ranges of standard electric cars.
     
  3. Pete77

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    Well the "125" mile theoretical range of electric cars turns out be about 30 in the real world so I presume these new cars will be good for about 65 miles before they need a charge then.

    So still no use for my recent trip from one side of the USA to another in 9 days then:rolleyes:
     
  4. BrianHughes

    BrianHughes Regurgitated user

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    Hydrogen isn't a fuel - it's a storage mechanism. You can't mine it, you have to make it. You can get it from processes such as electrolysis of water or extracting it from hydrocarbons - generally oil. Either way you use more energy than you get from burning the hydrogen. And unless you get your electricity for the electrolysis from hydroelectric you're causing pollution. You may as well cut out the middle step of making Hydrogen and power your car with hydroelectric electricity.
     
  5. Ian_m

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    Correct....hydogen is an energy carrier not a fuel.

    Here are some figures from http://www.withouthotair.com/ for energy (Kwh) consumption for 100 person kilometers (1 person 100kilometers or 100 people 1km).

    Typical car 68KWh/100p-km
    Electric car 15KWh/100p-km
    Hydogen car 254KWh/100p-km
    Electric train 1.6LWh/100p-km

    So hydrogen car requires over 3 time the energy input.
     
  6. Pete77

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    Should this have been KWh?

    If so it seems like we should all be catching the train whenever possible.

    If only that is this government didn't price the train so as to make it always non cost effective for any journey involving two or more people travelling to the same destination.:eek::mad:
     
  7. ColinYounger

    ColinYounger It wasn't me.

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    I find it very depressing that the train companies constantly appear on various consumer programmes say 'If you book in advance, it will be much cheaper - it's only the pay-and-travel customers who pay the most'. Utter rubbish. I had three different train journeys to make recently to different places, which I knew about in advance. I checked prices at several providers at three months, two months, one month and the actual day(s) in advance. The price didn't vary one iota.

    One helpful station employee said that they only do cheap deals on MPs routes. :)
     
  8. ColinYounger

    ColinYounger It wasn't me.

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    Sorry - must apologise for thread drift. I will cease and desist.
     
  9. Pete77

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    Its only cheaper booking far in advance when travelling at off peak times and even then only when travelling long distance. It doesn't help booking in advance if you want to get to London before 9.30am and/or the journey is only in the local regional area (same price booking on day of travel even for off peak stuff).

    Well there are 650 MPs representing every town and station in the UK so that sounds a rather implausible theory to me.
     
  10. cleudo

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    You could argue that all 'fuels' are energy carriers.

    oil-derived fuels such as petrol are mediums for carrying the energy of the sun stored from millions of years ago.

    In fact - apart from nuclear power, our sun is the only energy source there is - everything else is a carrier of it's energy.

    phew..
     
  11. bryl

    bryl New Member

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    Petition signed. Here's hoping the wait is not measured in geological time.
     
  12. bixbarton

    bixbarton New Member

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    Gentle reminder, the TiVo4UK petition is due to close this month.

    128 signatures so far, please please sign it.

    When it closes end of April, it gets emailed to the top nob at TiVo himself, Tom Rogers.

    TiVo4UK
     
  13. cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    Have to say this is the first I've heard of it :( Not that it will do any good, 'specially with only 129 sigs. Still, points for trying :)
     
  14. Davyburns

    Davyburns New Member

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    Why are we so apethetic these days? we (the brits) used to have a drive that made us the biggest force in the world, and now we just give in! Not just with Tivo, but with all the other people who are giving us grief. "All it takes for evil to prosper, is fo good men to do nothing"
    And what are we doing?
     
  15. Trinitron

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    As the 'How many TiVo users' thread is up to 415, a quarter of that number on the petition sounds quite good!

    I don't really see the point of current TiVo users sending a petition like this. It's not like many are going to quit the service if nothing is done, is it? It's non-TiVo users that need to be convinced and that needs a sound business model not fanboi rantings.
     
  16. mikerr

    mikerr TiVoCentral.co.uk

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    Maybe I, Blindlemon and HealeyDave should publish sales figures to show how active the UK TiVo upgrading business still is ? :D
     
  17. Gavin

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    Long and short of it is IMHO It would be too little too late. We've a Humax Freesat HD PVR, it's not Tivo, it's nowhere near as userfriendly or intelligent, BUT, it's here, installed, running and recording HD, our Tivo is still on and working but it's days are probably numbered. Even with mode the quality is noticable lower than the SD from the PVR (probably as it records the transport stream not digitising the images)

    Would I like a Tivo HD recorder, certainly, would I shell out £300+ given we spent that on the Humax at the start of this year, no chance.
     
  18. Pete77

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    Why do you have two Petitions threads here for one petition and have also hijacked a third thread as well?

    As I have said in the other threads IPetitions appear disreputable in being all about the so called "donation" (which they try to trick you in to believing you have to make and no doubt some users fall for this) and not sending a confirmation email to at least validate that you own the email address you have provided.

    They also seem to allow multiple signatures from the same IP address using the same name and email address etc, etc, etc.

    So along with the fact that Tivo will undoubtedly ignore only 200 signatures unfortunately this is unlikely to achieve your intended goal. Sorry but that's the honest truth of the matter.:(
     
  19. djb2002

    djb2002 Member

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    I've just signed the petition, but only 170 signatures is very poor.
     
  20. cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    Given that it clearly states you DO NOT have to donate, then I would say there is nothing to "fall for" and anyone who donates when they don't have to deserves to lose the money.
     

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