Tivo won't be welcomed into our living rooms anymore!!!

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by sac84371, May 24, 2011.

  1. May 24, 2011 #41 of 177
    MrSkippy53

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    Seems like a DVR function would be the next gen think they would add to thier Apple TV line. And the next step to attempting to take over ALL markets
     
  2. May 24, 2011 #42 of 177
    lrhorer

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    ...And which software must one load to allow one to copy all content with a CCI byte value of 0x01 to any device one likes? Without that ability, any recording device is just about competely useless to me.

    It doesn't help that all the software you mention costs money - quite a bit of money - and is deliberately obsolete when released so that the user must pay for an upgrade if he wants the latest features.

    And I would am hard pressed to load Windows v anything on any device I control explicitly with a figurative gun held to my head. Call me when they get the Ceton cards working under MythTV or XBMC, but only if a CCI byte hack is in play...and then only if the Ceton or similar card has dropped to under $100.

    That, or maybe some manufacturer will produce a ready-to-go Linux based DVR. Oh, wait...
     
  3. May 24, 2011 #43 of 177
    sabixx

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    hes right,apple will never add DVR functions, it goes directly against thier business model. they want you to buy your content from the itunes store, and they have no interest in you having a copy of it, the new apple tv doesn't even have local storage.

    irhorer,windows media center is great and theres nothing wrong with windows 7, stop being so childish.
     
  4. May 24, 2011 #44 of 177
    scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    The only problem Tivo has is that people used to appreciate Tivo, but now people feel entitled to more despite it still being the best dvr option and ***** about not getting it.
     
  5. May 24, 2011 #45 of 177
    sabixx

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    nobody feels entitled to anything but what Tivo has promised.

    Yes, its still the tallest of all the small people, but how much does that really mean? People didn't love Tivo for no reason, and they don't start to lose faith for no reason,either.
     
  6. May 24, 2011 #46 of 177
    MrSkippy53

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    Ya your Right that's why iOS does not support Netflix and Hulu. Oh wait....

    And Apple has already licensed TV guide data from Rovi....
     
  7. May 24, 2011 #47 of 177
    sabixx

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    netflix is a must-haves in the modern age, Apple doesn't really love having to have them,but they do.

    'Apple has introduced a subscription service for its App Store and this will offer app makers and publishers a way to reach the more than 100 million iOS users on a recurring basis through the App Store. The move will give Apple a 30% cut of subscription services sold through the App Store and it has the potential to impact popular services like Amazon’s Kindle app and Netflix.'

    and this is their response to having to support them.

    people dont have the type of speeds from their ISP to support anywhere close to a cloud-DVR service, so how would it work? the apple TV doesn't have storage. I obviously dont know apples plans,but it seems unlikely to me.

    I don't believe the Apple Tv has hulu plus yet,I dont know that for sure tho.
     
  8. May 24, 2011 #48 of 177
    aaronwt

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    I used to use HTPCs for recording HD between 2001 and 2007 or so( I retired them in since they were sitting unused). It was never as convenient as using a TiVo. If what is out now, were out back in 2001, I would have never considered getting a TiVo for HD. But at this point for me it's much easier to deal with several Premieres than a couple of HTPCs and extenders. there is no denying it is a good deal, but with every device there are pros and cons.

    Plus electrcity rates are nothing like they were ten years ago. Between 1999/2000 and 2002/2003 I ran six or seven PCs 24/7(all running SETI and also so I could send faxes of receipts home while on travel) and my electricty bills were still way below $100. But now since they are so much higher I only run my PCs and servers a few hours a day.
     
  9. May 24, 2011 #49 of 177
    sac84371

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    Steve,

    I agree. I am not trying to reinvent the wheel here. I was just expressing my point of view and opening the topic of for discussion. It is sad that the community is starting to feel this way about a once great company.
     
  10. May 24, 2011 #50 of 177
    lrhorer

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    If you are going to attempt to insult me, please at least spell my handle correctly.

    In the mean time, simply saying "windows media center is great" does not prove your point. Window's utterly stupid UI aside, Windows 7 is a bad joke. Getting almost anything done is painful and problematical. The one exception is user permissions. Windows ACLs are pretty slick. Permissions in Linux are rather rudimentary.

    What happens when (not if) the registry gets boated, or, what is scarecely less likely, corrupted? Although Windows 7 is reportedly somewhat better in this respect, I have yet to see a Windows workstation remain stable for more than 6 weeks.

    How much trouble is it to implement a high availability dual CPU system with duplicate IP addreses and arrays mirrored across both machines? What happens if your WMC machine blows a power supply or fries a motherboard?

    How much trouble is it to check the status of other devices (like one's TiVos) on the network and e-mail the user if trouble arises or attention is required? I know within 6 hours whenever any one of my TiVos has gotten a software upgrade, or locks up. (I could easily check every second if I chose, but 6 hours is fine.)

    How much trouble (not to mention cost) is it to set up a web server on the machine? An IMAP e-mail server?

    With nothing but a pair of machines and the software provided with the OS, I created a high reliability zoned HVAC system that controlls the temperature in each one of 8 different rooms independently. If the main controller fails, the secondary machine takes over, and relinquishes control when the main server comes back online. How would you do that with a pair of Windows 7 machines?

    For a short time, I was forced tro implement a Windows router for my sister's LAN using Miocrosoft ICS. It was weak and pathetic. Setting up a VPN endpoint proved impossible. Several of the workstations - including the router itself - would persistently complain of duplicate IPs and lose network connectivity. (There are no duplicate IPs.) Now that the router and VPN endpoint are once agan Linux based, the problems are gone (although the Windows workstations still sometimes complain of duplicate IPs).

    My sister lives 60 miles from me. She has Cricket broadband service, which is pretty poor, but it's all that is available to her that she can afford, and it does work (usually). If her TiVo has a problem, I can telnet in and fix it. It also has TiVoWebPlus - a web server - on it, so she or I can do lots of things from our PCs, like manage Season Passes and delete programs. Of course some of this can be done on Windows Home Server, but how much trouble is it? Will WMC even run on WHS?

    How about something trivial? Diagnosing latency problems on a Gig-E LAN calls for millisecond precsion. How precise is the ping command supplied with Windows?

    What about scheduling a task to run? Have they fixed this in Windows 7? I know up through XP, one has a choice of once an hour, once a day, etc. That's just anemic.

    I could literally go on for days about the massive deficiencies of Windows, but is there really a point? You are free to use Windows if you choose.
     
  11. May 24, 2011 #51 of 177
    lrhorer

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    Not for me, it isn't. I've checked it out a number of times. The selection is poor, and it is inconvenient. The UI is poor. Unless I want to spend even more than I do now, my ISP's performance is probelmatical for HD video. IF things get better, then maybe. Right now, not.
     
  12. May 24, 2011 #52 of 177
    lrhorer

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    Remove everything but the highlighted words, then you'll have it.
     
  13. May 24, 2011 #53 of 177
    sabixx

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    how is windows 7 a joke? I never sugguested Windows media center was 'easy' I simply said it was good. nobody would ever deny that it is a pain to set up, but the tivo is a pain to use, so theres your trade off.

    I wasn't trying to insult you,I was just trying to suggest you be a bit more mature. windows 7 isn't universally praised for no good reason. it runs very smoothly,something I definitely cant say for Tivos software. is it as polished as OSX or as fast as Ubuntu? probably not, but I never claimed it was.

    it just sounds like you have a bias against Microsoft/windows products and nothing they do could please you. windows isn't Linux, and its not meant to be. Im sorry if that offends you, but thats the way it is. Maybe if Linux got some mainstream application support and some real gaming, we could compare them, but right now they're nothing alike.

    you complaining about not being able to schedule tasks in Windows would be like me complaining that that Ubuntu doesn't run fallout 3, or mass effect 2.

    your dislike of netflix is even more baffling to me though, I never understand people who complain about the selection. just how much stuff are you watching that you're burning through all the content on there? Is it a must have for everyone? no,but it is a must-have for any DVR device that wants to be taken seriously,especially one that labels itself as 'one box for everything'

    if your problem with netflix is lack of recent movies, then thats on you, stop living your life in a bubble and relize that anything you havn't seen is a new experience. if you can't do HD streaming that definitely hurts the experience, but is that really netflixes fault?

    calling netflixs selection poor, when its good enough for it to consume the most bandwidth in the country, is just being close-minded.

    Im not even going to address your problems with windows anymore than I did,because its stupid, if you want Linux run Linux, dont expect windows to be Linux for you.

    I find it incredibly ironic that you highlight the fact that other people complain, after writing a big post doing nothing but complaining about windows, but hey, w/e works for you.
     
  14. May 24, 2011 #54 of 177
    dwgsp

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    I guess that it all depends on what you want in a DVR. Many people want an appliance. Like a refrigerator, an appliance can be plugged in by almost anyone and then it works very reliably. Most cable company DVRs can be considered appliances. In my case, my TivoHD is also an appliance (I have to reboot my TA once a month, but the Tivo itself is rock solid). Your mileage may vary, of course.

    Having never set up or used one, it's unclear to me if an HTPC is an appliance. When I researched the subject a few years ago, many HTPCs were more like hobbies than appliances (because they required special expertise to set up and then frequent attention to keep them running). Perhaps someone could enlighten us on the current state of HTPCs.

    There is nothing wrong with having a hobby, but that doesn't mean that everybody wants one.
     
  15. May 24, 2011 #55 of 177
    scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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  16. May 24, 2011 #56 of 177
    nrc

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    While nobody has signed anything in blood, TiVo did say that they would be finishing the HDUI and I think it would be fair for a buyer to assume that they meant that it would happen less than a year.

    The Premiere was launched with a lot of fanfare as a game changer in the connected TV space. Whether or not anything that they said at the time was technically a "promise," TiVo has failed to fulfill the expectations that they set when they launched the Premiere.

    The reason has become obvious. TiVo's primary focus today is on making sure that they deliver on their MSO deals. Satisfaction from Virgin, RCN, and Suddenlink matter a lot more than all of TiVo's direct subscribers combined.

    In a way that makes good business sense. MSOs have the vast majority of customers locked up. But what TiVo seems to be overlooking is that their lack of progress in the standalone market is damaging the brand name that helped earn them those deals in the first place.
     
  17. May 24, 2011 #57 of 177
    Series3Sub

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    Tom Rogers strategy is to sue any MSO who has no interest in TiVo being a part of their service and the expensive and burdensome costs of such litigation may be sucking R&D. Tens-of-millions of Comcast $$$ spent to get it going, and it resulted in a "we give up; forget it. Let's just offer VOD instead."

    The point is that far too many people TiVo lovers have been turned into TiVo haters, and that nothing that should be taken lightly nor belittled. So, I guess some of those who mocked the OP won't admit that numerous and growing TiVo users on a TiVo lovers forum have given up on TiVo, are posting their frustrations or clear reasons as to why they are leaving or feel that TiVo is not the kind of company it once was as a problem? That is the attitude that takes a company out of business. As I've said before, TiVo's worst enemies are its most ardent apologists who ignore or mock those pointing out what is accurately wrong with TiVo today.
     
  18. May 24, 2011 #58 of 177
    ZeoTiVo

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    we are all aware of the suits - but do you have anything else that backs up what you say about this being a strategy? From where I look at it, TiVo merely protected its own hard earned IP from DISH willfully infringing on that IP.


    If this was DVR_IPisUS company that merely bought TiVo and then started suing folks then your statement would hold more weight.
     
  19. May 24, 2011 #59 of 177
    ZeoTiVo

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    you keep speaking for the community yet I have not received your survey yet ;)
     
  20. May 24, 2011 #60 of 177
    rdodolak

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    Well, the conference call was predominantly about not just the DISH lawsuit but litigation against other companies too. It seemed TiVo was more concerned about 1) continued litigation and 2) the MSO market.
     

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