Tivo with Fios TV

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  1. Aug 4, 2007 #121 of 166
    acvthree

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    I've got Verizon FIOS and I'm payng $2.99 a card each month. Go out on their web site. It doesn't say anything about buying the card.

    Al
     
  2. Aug 5, 2007 #122 of 166
    ConfusedBob

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    Thanks a lot for the information. I think the person at Verizon was rather clueless as she had to call her supervisor and end up saying they don't lease the cards but sell them for $100 each. I can't find anything on their web site but will call them tomorrow.

    thanks again.
     
  3. Aug 6, 2007 #123 of 166
    jcherins

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    I just had FIOS installed on two S3 units in North NJ.


    From the FIOS Site:

    http://www22.verizon.com/content/fiostv/customer+support/faqs/faqs.htm#cable1

    How do I obtain a CableCARD and how much does a CableCARD cost?
    Contact your Verizon customer service representative. You can lease a CableCARD directly from Verizon for a low monthly fee.
     
  4. Aug 6, 2007 #124 of 166
    Generic

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    Verizon is switching over to M series cable cards vs the S series. The M series has two way communications so the S3 requires only 1 cable card vs the S series CC which requires 2. Verizon is going to use up it's current stock before they switch over to the M series.
     
  5. Aug 7, 2007 #125 of 166
    classicsat

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    The M-card, and no cablecard for that matter, has two-way communications in it. Two way communications lies mostly upon the host.
     
  6. Aug 8, 2007 #126 of 166
    TennTradition

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    I have a Series 2 TiVo and FiOS. I just purchased an HDTV, so I will be upgrading to an HD cable box. I plan on upgrading in the not too distant future to a HD TiVo DVR, but I am trying to figure out how to best enjoy the setup I have now. I know that I will not get an HD signal through TiVo to my TV, but I can use my HDMI cable and switch to that when I want to watch HD.

    As for TiVo viewing, the Motorolla HD STB with DVR does not appear to have a serial port connection. Is that true? I thought that I might go with the HD STB so that I could record have a pause/re-wind option for HD programming, but that would mean that I would have to use IR blasters for my normal TiVo viewing, no? Has anyone else experienced any other problems with this route?

    Does anyone know if the HD STB with no DVR from Motorolla is fitted with a serial cable? Or, do I have to use IR blasters for this option as well? I would think that the use of IR blasters would really be a downer for my usual TiVo habits. I am at least hoping that the HD STB with no DVR has the serial cable...

    As of right now, I see it as a tradeoff between either being able to record/pause/re-wind HD TV but be forced to use IR blasters or lose the DVR for HD but have serial control with the HD STB from FiOS (with no DVR). Does that sound about right?
     
  7. Aug 9, 2007 #127 of 166
    bkdtv

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    The Series2 Tivos do not support HDTV. The TivoHD, Series3, and the FiOS' Motorola DVR are your only options to record/pause/rewind HDTV.

    The standard STB has serial, but I'm not sure about the HD STB.
     
  8. Aug 9, 2007 #128 of 166
    TennTradition

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    Thanks. I knew that I would need to by-pass the Series2 in order to watch the HD content...but I wasn't sure if I had enumerated the best options at this point or not. Of course, the best option will be to get an HD TiVo...but I am looking for the proverbial finger plugging the hole in the dam method right now. I think that I am just going to go with the Motorola HD DVR connected through HDMI to the TV and Composite to the TiVo series 2 (which is connected to the TV through composite). I will just have to use the IR blasters (they aren't too bad, I suppose). I use a surround sound system instead of the TV speakers and noticed one problem. When I rely on the sound passed through TiVo on to my sound system to be in sync with the video from the motorola box to the TV through HDMI, there is a delay. So, instead, I have just routed all sound to the TV directly. And then, I use the TV's audio out composite cables to connect the TV to the sound system. This seems to work.
     
  9. Aug 9, 2007 #129 of 166
    bkdtv

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    I don't know if you just got the HDTV, but Tivo Series2 compressed content does not look very good blown up on a larger screen. Tivo Series2 boxes are really not meant for HDTVs, especially larger screens.

    With the TivoHD, you would get the same picture quality seen with the FiOS DVR. I guess you can compare the output from the FiOS DVR and the Tivo Series2 to see if you find the output on the latter acceptable.
     
  10. Aug 9, 2007 #130 of 166
    TennTradition

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    Thanks again for your input. I notice that the picture is darker when I view it through TiVo (and compostie cables) when compared to the HDMI directly from the Motorola FiOS STB. The HD channels piped through TiVo and then on to the HDTV do not look good at all. On the other hand, the SD channels piped through TiVo and then on to the HDTV actually look OK, just darker. Maybe I don't have "tuned" eyes, but I really don't have a problem with it at all. Does the HDMI cable cause problems for SD channels when piped directly from the FiOS set top box to the HDTV...or does it work well for both SD and HD? The reason I ask is because I am basing my comparison on SD piped through TiVO and to the HDTV with composite cables to SD piped from the FiOS Set Top Box to the HDTV with an HDMI cable. Ultimately, as you point out, I will want to get a HD TiVo if I want to continue using TiVo.
     
  11. madgalaxy

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    I have been researching getting FiOS and using it with my Tivo S2 DT. After reading through this tread it has scared me about the serial port being turned off on the Moto STB. Is this still an issue with folks? Or has VZ started turning the serial ports back on? I really love my TivoToGo feature and would hate to lose it by getting the FiOS DVR.
     
  12. TennTradition

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    If you plan on using the Standard Definition set top box for FiOS cable, then you should be fine. I had it for a month before I switched to the HD DVR and used the serial port. That doesn't mean that they will disable it again in the future, but they have (knowingly) enabled it for several months now.
     
  13. volsfan

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    I have the Motorola QIP2500-3 which I control via the serial port with my Series 2 Toshiba TX-20 Tivo. Works great. However, I keep noticing that the Motorola box seems to power down on some frequency (haven't got a lot of data yet). Obviously, that is not good...I end up with blank shows when Tivo thinks it's recording.

    Anyway, I had a similar situation with a Comcast box (back in the daaarrrrkkkkk Comcast days before Verizon!); the box was programmed to power itself down every night at ~1:30 am if there was no activity (a warning message came up to tell you it was going to happen, then poof...power down). Has anyone else experienced this with the QIP2500-3? Or is one of my kids turning the box off occasionally?!?!?
     
  14. Generic

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    It seems that the box powers off whenever Verizon has a software "upgrade" that is downloaded to the box. It doesn't happen too often but it does happen. The last time it happened to me was last week.
     
  15. dslunceford

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    Just to clarify, I believe the S3 TiVo will require two cards for two tuners no matter what. If you have a THD, however, you can use a single M series cable card or two S series cable cards to deliver two tuner functionality.
     
  16. rtinker

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    It is definitely FiOS, not the cable box or kids. I have been through the ringer on this one as well. I told FiOS that the boxes can be programmed to have a feature that automatically keeps the box on at all times, but they are not willing to make that change to make the feature appear in the box setup options.

    I have S2 TiVOs that use the cable boxes as the 2nd tuner and so they have the same problem - shows record black screen because it happens during the night, we get up and go about our day, and then come home to discover shows not recorded.

    I know it is not kids or the boxes because sometimes they go for months without being powered down, but when they do go, it is all 4 of my boxes (3 of them are on TiVOs) and programs on my S3 with cable cards are fine.

    During the holidays I am going to see if I can use the power outlet or something like that to signal my home automation system (HomeSeer) as to when the power is out so I can have it send the IR signal to turn them back on automatically!

    As of the final time I called Verizon about this and ran it up the chain (as I was not getting answers otherwise), I finally was told that they will not be addressing it by changing the cable box firmware.

    So much for the power of the "always on" FiOS service.
     
  17. elgormando

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    I just got an HD TiVO for Christmas and didn't realize I'd need a CableCARD to get this to work with the HD. Have you had any problems with the CableCARD? Also, should I specifically request an M card instead of the two S cards, I'd like to be able to watch and record two stations at once, or record two at once which comes in handy during football season.
     
  18. Generic

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    Verizon doesn't currently have M cards so you will have to order 2 S cards if you want to record 2 stations at once. It is reported that Verizon will not have M cards until 1Q of 2008 which usually means second or third quarter of 2008. :)
     
  19. Makmcm

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    Do you have any idea of how much an M card will be per month? I just had FiOS installed, and will pay $2.99/month for each S card, so I'm wondering if the M card will be less expensive than $6 per month.
     
  20. phoenix69

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    I am one of the lucky people with FIOS and I have 3 series 2 Tivos. I have been changing channels with the IR blasters on all three but as some others have noted, there is a lag because the Motorola box is waiting for a fourth channel number to be entered but Tivo uses only three. I understand that is the problem with slow channel changes with the blasters. Some of you have said that you are using serial cables to change the channels. My question is, what serial cables do you use and how do you have them hooked up? Also, does that solve the lag? Thanks.
     

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