Tivo with Fios TV

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by unicorngoddess, Dec 5, 2005.

  1. rtinker

    rtinker New Member

    Oct 24, 2005


    It is probably very similar everywhere, but to find out, go to the Verizon website with a slash fiostv at the end, then go to channel lineup and put in your state and area or city - if your area is not listed, choose the one closest as you will probably get a lineup that is the same in your area.
    (Sorry I could not put the website properly - I do not yet have 5 posts so I cannot do a link in my post!)

    I spoke with a Verizon rep at a tradeshow last fall and he said that the 14 channels (under channel 50 in the lineup) of analog won't increase because of the move to all digital - supposedly you cannot even buy a TV anymore without a digital compatible tuner. Older TVs are OK because there is always the cable box, but Series 2 DT TiVOs could be hurting with their inability to use two cable boxes. Sure an S3 gets around this, but it sure is at a premium price.
  2. MPScan

    MPScan New Member

    Apr 8, 2004
    Boston, MA
    I have an S2 DT with FIOS TV that has been working like clockwork for the past 9 months. My S2 is hooked to the Motorola FIOS cable box via serial. However, about a few days ago, the TIVO stopped changing channels on the cable box.

    I can still use the analog stations even with dual tuner, but the Tivo simply can't change the channel on the cable box anymore. It just seemingly happened overnight one day.

    Any ideas? Was there a TIVO update pushed out and is this a known issue from that update ... or do you think somehow Verizon upgraded the firmware of the Motorola box?
  3. GoHokies!

    GoHokies! O2->CO2 Converter

    Sep 21, 2005
    It was probably an "update" from Verizon on the cable box.

    Dig out your IR cables and use them.
  4. Mar 2, 2007 #104 of 166

    DFWDave New Member

    May 17, 2004
    Dallas, TX
    I have two S2 Tivos with FIOS. Same thing happened to me on one of the Tivos, but not the other. I swapped out the Verizon STB on the one that wasn't working and it made no difference.

    Looks like software on both sets are identical, but one works and one doesn't. Very odd!

    Both S2 boxes are at 8.1a-01-2-140.

    The STB Guide Build is 13.19 (5882S)
    Build Type DCT-FE-1.7H
    PlatformID 210
    GIOS 18.24
    EPG Files 14
  5. Mar 7, 2007 #105 of 166

    rtinker New Member

    Oct 24, 2005


    I have 3 TiVOs using the Motorola (2500?) boxes, 2 by TiVO and 1 by Humax, all using the serial cable, and none are experiencing any problems with the channels.

    A lot of the brains of the STBs comes over the network though, so perhaps the boxes just need to be reset by Verizon.
  6. DFWDave

    DFWDave New Member

    May 17, 2004
    Dallas, TX
    In my prior post I mentioned that one STB was still accepting channel changes via serial, well that is over now. This is one bad experience in a series of stellar ones with FIOS.
  7. rtinker

    rtinker New Member

    Oct 24, 2005
    OK - I just experienced my first failure of the serial cable.

    I don't want to have to go back to infrared. Does anybody know for certain whether it is the Motorola box or the TiVO that broke this? (I am pretty sure I know the answer, but want to make sure.)

    I already have a request in with Verizon for them to ask Motorola for an "always on" feature in the set top box so that when enabled and they do those service resets that the box will turn itself back on. They have done this to my home 3 times now where all of the cable boxes are reset and then left in the OFF position, so it is not until we go to watch our programs in the evening that we discover that nothing recorded since the boxes have been off all day.
  8. Anarchus

    Anarchus New Member

    Mar 16, 2007
    FiOS broadband user for 15 months here in PA; have have DirecTV and TIVO2 for about 2-3 years.

    PA just allowed television/video over Fios last November and in February Verizon rolled it out in my 'hood and I got it last week for one TV only. Very nice.

    To stay married I had to keep the DirecTV SD and TIVO up and running for a while until I either figure out how to do FiOS with TIVO3.

    I'm in the investing business and have a field trip out to the Motorola "Connected Home" division in Horsham in a short while - that's the old General Instrument operation that MOT acquired a few years back.

    Anyway, geek observations, questions and input pre-trip are most welcome (but no, guests are not allowed . . . . . . . maybe next time!).
  9. ashu

    ashu User title defunct

    Nov 8, 2002
    Ask them if their software developers ever considered hara-kiri? :D
  10. rtinker

    rtinker New Member

    Oct 24, 2005
    I have a problem in that every time Verizon does service on the system, or perhaps it is service updates for the set top boxes, they reset the boxes and when they are done, the end up being "off". When this happens, it doesn't matter whether they are controlled with IR from the TiVO or use the serial cable from the TiVO, they ain't gonna change to the channel because the box is off! When they do this in the morning and you don't discover it until the evening, it is an entire day's worth of recordings shot to hell.

    Thus, I contacted Verizon and instead of getting somebody helpful, I got somebody who said that he would note the feature request to provide the ability for the STB to have an "always on" option, but that I should contact Motorola as well. I thought that was pretty rude - it was like getting a GM rental car when on a trip and it breaks down, so the rental car company tells me to contact GM as well...

    Anyway, I actually DID contact Motorola and they told me that those STBs (QIP2500) are like computer hardware - it is Verizon that builds the software platform running on them, thus Verizon would have to build that feature.

    Likewise now with the serial port issue - it is Verizon that chose to send a new version of the STB firmware down the lines that now disabled the serial ports on all 3 of my STBs connected to TiVO boxes - yes, after happily reporting that I was using all serial control, I now have NONE.

    Verizon FiOS is really starting to piss me off - combine all of this with the fact that they have steadily increased their price since they first started, and I begin to wonder if perhaps the hassles and stupidity of Comcast may very well be worth it again because at least with them, I had 40-some analog channels and did not need STBs on my TiVOs.

    So to make a long story a bit longer.... My "ask Motorola" bit would be to suggest to them that in their base firmware, or in the firmware that they give the cable providers as example code, have a feature that if the cable box was on when a reset command was sent that it returns to an on state after the reset is finished.
  11. ottomatic

    ottomatic New Member

    Dec 28, 2005
    I refuse to pay $4 per box. Is there a fee for cable cards (per month or one time)?

    When will I be able to get digital tv from the wall like I do now with analog?
  12. stevel

    stevel Dumb Blond TCF Club

    Aug 23, 2000
    Nashua, NH
    There is usually a monthly fee for CableCARDs. You can get digital TV "from the wall" today. Any digital broadcast TV channels on your cable system are supposed to be provided "in the clear", so all you need is a TV with a QAM tuner (since cable uses a different modulation than broadcast.)

    In general, though, CableCARD is the way to go, and yes, it costs. That's part of the price of subscribing to digital cable.
  13. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Well-Known Mumbler

    Aug 2, 2003
    $3 a month... and you need two of them. Sorry, you can't win.
  14. JohnBrowning

    JohnBrowning Member

    Jul 15, 2004
    Plano, TX
    To be precise, you can utilize 2 of them, but, don't NEED 2 of them. My S3 works just fine on FiOS with 1 cablecard.
  15. bilbo

    bilbo New Member

    Dec 7, 2004
    Yes, it looks like the Infrared port was disabled on my QIP2500 sometime between 9PM last night and 9AM this morning. I had to pull out the Scientific Atlanta remote that Verizon provided to change the channel this morning. I guess I will have to do the Infrared (IR) thing, which I have not had to do yet and am not exactly looking forward to it.

    But I would much rather deal with Verizon when I am paying less to them for a whole lot more. I had about 80 channels with Comcast; I have approximately 300 channels now with Verizon. My Upload Speed with Comcast would just drop out completely at times. I get High Definition signals now with Verizon now (I did not get anything in HD with Comcast). My television signal from Comcast was poor on the stations I watched most (CBS, ABC, and NBC), but stations like Bravo came in crystal clear.

  16. bilbo

    bilbo New Member

    Dec 7, 2004
    "I get High Definition signals now with Verizon now (I did not get anything in HD with Comcast)."

    I pay $2.99 per cable card per month on my Series 3.
  17. BlackBetty

    BlackBetty I

    Nov 5, 2004
    Dave, I am in the process of buying a new home. The home is located in a fios service area. I plan on getting FIOS TV, Internet, and phone. Is there a package deal if you get all 3? How much are you paying, if you don't mind me asking.

    Basically I will be looking for the 15/2 internet (thats awesome news about 20/4), FIOS TV 200 channel package with HBO and 1 HDTV set top box, and a basic phone line, no bells or whistles on the phone, both my wife and I have cell phones. I know I know, I already tried to get her to do without a landline but she really wants it.

  18. Generic

    Generic Now in Dolby Digital

    Dec 26, 2005
    Verizon does offer bundled packages but only certain areas at this time. I believe NY/NJ and FLA areas have it but other places may have it too. $99 for phone, FiosTV and 5/2 Fios internet service. I don't know if you can get 15/2 for a slightly higher price.

    Try the link for more info and prices.
  19. Aug 4, 2007 #119 of 166

    ConfusedBob New Member

    Aug 4, 2007
    I have Directv with an old TiVo and am thinking about getting Verizon Fios and buying a new TiVo. I think it is called S3 with the dual HD tuners. Now I called Verzion and they tell me it cost $100 per cablecard. Does that mean that I have to spend $200 + cost of the TiVo box (at least $500) and then monthly fee for TiVo service and still have VZ say I don't get a number of their services, like guides?

    I must be missing something so I sure appreciate it if someone can shed some light here.

    thanks a lot
  20. Aug 4, 2007 #120 of 166

    Flojomojo Handsome Devil

    Dec 30, 2001
    I don't think you can buy the cable cards -- instead, you rent them at $3 per month per card (you want 2 so you can record 2 shows at once).

    You might want to call Tivo to see if there's a rebate or other incentive on. I got my S3 for $400 after the Father's Day rebate, and since I had another box registered, the service was only $7 a month.

    If you get the Tivo service, you don't need the Verizon guide. You would be giving up the "on demand" services, but IMHO those aren't worth much anyway at this time.

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