tivo wifi connection

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  1. srsenate

    srsenate New Member

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    please help cannot get my tivo to talk to my
    wifi home network.
    the network connection setup screen indicates that
    it has found my network SSID and sig strengh is excellent 98 percent
    but when i set the TCP/IP config for automatic it cannot locate
    my DHCP on the network.
    I get "Failed unknown error Message"
    The Mac address of the Belkin AP is shown on screen

    Using Tivo series2 sw ver 4.0.1b
    wifi AP belkin f5d6050
    wifi toshiba router attached to cable modem
    router acts as DHCP client
    ip address dynamically assign
     
  2. bedelman

    bedelman Call me Bob

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    Crystal...
    To clarify -- the Belkin is not an access point, it is a wireless USB adapter. Your Toshiba router is a wireless router, right?

    Do you have any security enabled on your wireless router? Things like WPA, WEP, or an Access List.

    WPA isn't supported. If you're using WEP, you'll need to use the "hexadecimal key" for the password instead of the human-readable pass phrase. If you have any entries in the Access List in the wireless router, you will need to add the MAC address of the Belkin adapter to the list.

    Note if the Access List in the router is empty, that's OK. It just means that you don't have an Access List in effect.
     
  3. srsenate

    srsenate New Member

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    Bob

    yes you are right Belkin is a wireless adapter. Wep is enabled on my router
    and tivo accepted the wep key it just cannot seem to find the router(gateway) and DHCP client. What is the DHCP client id?
    Why does the wep need to be in hex?
    thank u for your help
     
  4. bedelman

    bedelman Call me Bob

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    Crystal...
    WEP needs to be in hex because your adapter and your wireless router are from different manufacturers and different algorithms are used to generate the encryption key (which is the hex value).

    Go into the wireless router configuration and see what is the hex key equivalent for your current pass phrase. Then use that hex key in the TiVo's configuration.

    In most cases the DHCP client ID isn't needed although it can be used to "label" a machine if you ever look at the attached device table in the router.
     
  5. srsenate

    srsenate New Member

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    Bob
    Thank u very much for your help and guidance. Once i changed the WEP Key to a hex value every thing fell into place,including the Tivo publisher
    server on my pc.
    once again thank you.
    srsenate

    :)
     
  6. Ian

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    Bedelman... just bought a router and wireless adapter and was about to rip out my hair until I found your post about entering the WEP key as Hex.

    THANKS!

    -Ian
     
  7. Wildcat_1

    Wildcat_1 New Member

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    I'm having this issue too but this did not resolve mine. My wusb11 when plugged into a PC picks up wireless networks a plenty but in the TIVO it cannot lcoate my WLAN even when it is broadcasting SSID .any help wouldb e appreciated
     
  8. windracer

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    What version of the WUSB11 are you using? I don't think all of them are supported. I'm using the WUSB11 v2.6 on my 60hr unit without any problem. Is the TiVo getting an IP when the adapter is plugged in?
     
  9. MikeyB

    MikeyB Distracted Member

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    Does your TiVo show the adpater's MAC address? This indicates whether or not the TiVo recognizes the network adapter at all.
     
  10. Wildcat_1

    Wildcat_1 New Member

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    Absolutely it recognises the MAC but when I try and manually enter TCP/IP it tells me that (on occasion) network adapter is not present check cables.

    Either way the wireless will not pick up my SSID even when broadcast or any other wireless networks in my area. If however I place the WUSB11 which is version 2.6 on my PC all works great
     
  11. windracer

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    Have you tried it on both USB ports? Maybe there's a problem with one of them.

    I've also read reports of the TiVo dropping the wireless connection a lot with 7.1. There are other threads on this, but usually re-plugging the adapter solves the issue. Sounds like you're not even getting that far.
     
  12. Wildcat_1

    Wildcat_1 New Member

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    AN UPDATE

    Okay all I am still notable to see any WLAN but id extensive testing an wanted to post so not only those who are trying to help but those in future that may see this issue have this documented.

    FIRSTLY THE SETUP
    SMC Wireless Router - Barricade G 2804WBR
    Samsung 120HR (originally) DTIVO Modded with 4.01 SWare
    Linksys WUSB11 Wireless B USB Network Adapter V2.6 (confirmed)

    INITIAL TESTING

    1) Okay I first had a newer WUSB11 V2.8 which I plugged in and sure enough was not recognized so I then went on the hunt and found a V2.6 which as soon as I plugged it in I got the message that it had found an Ethernet adapter. With this info in hand I plugged away setting up the WLAN on the TIVO which at the time was completely closed with WEP 128 and no broadcast SSID (BSSID) on chan 8. The TIVO responded with cannot locate this network. Also worth pointing out MAC filtering was enabled at this time but I had already added the MAC address. Wireless signal read none.


    2) With the above in mind and the fact that I am using a Linksys and an SMC I decided to change my WEP key to 64 HEX and rename my SSID to something simpler (no special characters) and try again, this still did not work. Wireless signal read none

    3) After this I disabled all firewall settings on the router, removed WEP security and enabled BSSID and still it could not locate the network and the wireless signal read NONE.

    4) I decided to try again the same as step 3 but this time physically carted my TIVO upstairs and sat the WUSB11 on top of the router (was thinking about drawing an arrow on paper to show the data flow to the adapter  ) but still absolutely nothing.

    5) I now wanted make sure the adapter was not faulty so I removed it from the TIVO and plugged it into one of my laptops and boom straight away not only did it pick up my WLAN but 4 others (as expected) in my neighborhood.

    So what did this initial testing prove, well in summary it proved the adapter works and seemingly has no interoperability issues with an SMC router running or not running WEP. This also proved that BSSID was in fact enabled as the adapter could see it. It also proved that there was no other issues router side that were blocking the TIVO from successfully connecting.

    After completing the initial testing and spending days scouring the web for insights I also tried changing channels to non overlapping ones like 6, 11 etc but still nothing and that is when I had a little bit of a brain wave. I thought maybe if this USB adapter was dumb and held its settings in VRAM that I could plug it into the PC and configure it that way first then transport it back. Sure enough if you use WLAN monitor to setup your default profile it writes that info back to the adapter and saves it (confirmed through advance networking setup/configure adapter). So, in the end I now had a complete config on the adapter that worked flawlessly when plugged into the laptop. I plugged this into the TIVO and…………… NOTHING, same problem.

    That is where I am right now. Two things I noticed on the site survey completed by WLAN monitor though was that when WEP is configured on the router and even in the Linksys profile the WLAN monitor shows WEP as disabled on the router and indicates the BSSID as the WLAN mac address of the router instead of by ASCII name.

    So, I don’t know if this will help but at least it is documented for everyone. I am picking up a WRT54G tomorrow to test with to ensure once and for all that there are no hidden flags or interoperability issues between different manufacturers. Maybe the TIVO is that dumb it cannot be flexible in any way to the change in possible WEP configurations from device to device (even though it is a standard).

    Oh well, hopefully we will get there because being an IT Infrastructure Manager by trade this thing is really bugging the crap out of me

    WC
     
  13. windracer

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    You mention above you have a DTivo. I'm not the expert here, but it was my understanding that the USB ports on the DirecTiVos didn't work, or were not meant for networking. Maybe a DTiVo person can chime in here.
     
  14. joeaksa

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    Need to hop on this thread. I have a Series 2 Tivo unit with a Netgear approved WiFi adapter. I get around 80% signal on the unit and most of the time it shows connected.

    Tried to connect to the internet to download new content and it gives me a "no connection, your server cannot connect to the DHCP server" error message. Called Tivo and they say its all in my Netgear WiFi hub. The hub works fine with my laptop and other devices but not with the Tivo unit.

    They say to open ports TCP 2190, VDP 2190, TCP 8080 to 8089 and to turn my firewall off. Aint going to open this to the whole world, so the firewall stays.

    Does anyone have any ideas on this? No one I have been in contact with knows how to open these ports, its not in the setup from Netgear (WGR614) and am out of ideas.

    TIA,

    Joe A
     
  15. windracer

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    I have the same router (Netgear WGR614v3) and did not have to open any ports to allow my TiVos to phone home to the mothership.

    Can you ping your DVR from your PC, confirming it's actually on your wireless LAN?
     
  16. joeaksa

    joeaksa New Member

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    Thanks much for the reply. When I look at the "attached devices" on the Netgear wifi hub, its not there. When I look at the tivo unit, its getting a good 80% signal and assigned a IP address.

    Not sure how to "ping" but did find a "Respond to ping on internet port" box on the WAN settings on the hub. Can you pls tell me how to do this? Am pretty good with building computers but not so much on networking and things like this.

    Thanks,

    Joe
     
  17. windracer

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    What's the TiVo's IP address? It doesn't start with a 169. does it? If so, that means the DVR couldn't find a DHCP server (your router) on the network so just picked a private address ... so it's not really on the network at all.

    To ping your DVR, go to a DOS prompt in Windows (Start -> Run -> type 'cmd' and press OK) and then use the ping command:

    ping xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx

    Where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the IP of your TiVo. If you get "request timed out" it means your PC can't see the TiVo.

    Are you using MAC filtering or anything like that on your router? If so, you need to add the MAC address of your Netgear adapter to the router so it knows it's a permitted device.

    How about WEP? If you're using encryption, did you enter the right network password when you went through the network setup on your TiVo?

    There's a lot of little things here to check, I know ... also, this might help:

    http://customersupport.tivo.com/knowbase/root/public/tv2066.htm?
     
  18. joeaksa

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    Thanks for the info, ran out of time to troubleshoot. Am heading out on the road early Friday until Sunday, and will work on it when I return.

    Appreciate the help... Will get this figured out eventually!

    Joe A
     
  19. windracer

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    I'll be here when you get back. :)
     
  20. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

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    They aren't, and getting them to work is not what the help forum is for.
    This Help forum is for more or less stock TiVos.
     

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