TiVo to return to the UK

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by craig@rewind, Jun 7, 2006.

  1. Jun 10, 2006 #61 of 135

    blindlemon tivoheaven.co.uk

    May 12, 2002
    Malmesbury, UK


    We're back to the same old debate based on the existing buisness model.

    If you look at what TiVo are doing in the US these days, they're giving the boxes away for free if you buy a service package, either upfont or monthly. If you buy 3 years upfront the cost 'per month' over that period is very low and there's no box to buy. The current US prices converted roughly to £ (rounding in TiVo's favour) are :-

    * £9.75/month or £270 prepaid with 3-year commitment
    * £10.91/month or £212 prepaid with 2-year commitment
    * £11.49/month or £129 prepaid with 1-year commitment

    £129 for an 80gb TiVo with all the funky Series 2 features and a year of free service, or £270 for the same machine with 3 years service. That's equivalent to £7.75/month including a free box if you sign up for 3 years and prepay.
  2. Jun 10, 2006 #62 of 135

    Jo.Cassady New Member

    Jul 21, 2002
    People, please don't post rumours/stories unless you have a link to back it up. Moderators : please dit the title and prefix the title with 'Rumour" in front of it
  3. Jun 10, 2006 #63 of 135

    NCG_Mike New Member

    Dec 13, 2003
    Bristol, UK
    The transfused blood of young people... Excellent!
  4. Jun 10, 2006 #64 of 135

    cleudo New Member

    Apr 7, 2002
    That would be quite favourable if it launched here - however, it's got a whiff of desperation about it.

    Tivo haven't actually posted a profit in any year since they were founded in 1997. How can they keep that going?? [source - ft.com]
  5. Jun 11, 2006 #65 of 135

    ndunlavey Just a user, really

    Jun 4, 2002


    It's what happens with mobile phones.
  6. Jun 11, 2006 #66 of 135

    Richardr New Member

    Oct 20, 2000
    St Albans, UK
    The original TIVO model was very similar to the mobile phone model in this country, i.e. the initial hardware was subsidised by at least part of the monthly payment.

    Given that the market for Sky and ntl / Telewest PVRs will be dominated by the platform owners own boxes, that leaves Freeview - which will be the most popular platform in the long run.

    However, given that hard disc freeview recorders are available for not much more than £100, can TIVO compete in this market?

    The higher spenders to me will tend to be in the satellite or cable market, and freeview will be the lower end.
  7. Jun 11, 2006 #67 of 135
    Tony Hoyle

    Tony Hoyle Geek

    Apr 1, 2002
    Tivo can easily compete - they're not trying to produce a generic freeview box but something completely different. There is nothing even close to Tivo in the market at the moment except Sky+ (which isn't even as good, and costs £299 + £120 a year).

    OTOH it seems Tivo are struggling enough in their own market and the chances of them coming back to the UK seem pretty nonexistant at the moment.
  8. Jun 14, 2006 #68 of 135

    blindlemon tivoheaven.co.uk

    May 12, 2002
    Malmesbury, UK
    Why? They've recently started selling boxes in Taiwan for the first time; they've just won a big patent case against Echostar/NDS in the US; the new pricing model is very attractive...

    The UK Freeview market is wide-open due to the fact that NONE of the existing machines are any good and the take-up of Freeview here is roaring ahead with ever-increasing pace. Sure, you can get a cheap Freeview DVR for under £100, but it will be flaky, bug-ridden and have hardly better functionality than a VCR. Even the "better" Freeview DVRs like the Topfield and Fusion are still bug-ridden and limited in their usefulness compared to a TiVo - and they cost quite a lot more than £100.

    If TiVo re-enter with an 80gb twin-tuner Freeview machine for £129 with a year's free service they will clean up. Period :up:
  9. Jun 14, 2006 #69 of 135

    worm Damn The Man!

    Feb 10, 2005
    As long as they retain the Linux OS.

    The hackability is a big plus in my book (although it's not a deal breaker)
  10. Jun 14, 2006 #70 of 135

    iankb New Member

    Oct 9, 2000
    Reading, UK
    They'll retain the Linux OS, because it's efficient, cost-effective, and they have invested a lot in the dependent developments. However, don't expect the Series 3, etc, to be as open to hacking as the Series 1, anymore than the current Series 2 is.
  11. Jun 14, 2006 #71 of 135

    cwaring VM Tivo User

    Feb 11, 2002
    Don't the Series 2/3 have all (or at least 'a lot') of the functionality built-in that the hacks currently provide anyway? (Genuine question. I don't have a clue :))
  12. Jun 14, 2006 #72 of 135

    blindlemon tivoheaven.co.uk

    May 12, 2002
    Malmesbury, UK
    Yes they do, and in some cases more :)
  13. Jun 14, 2006 #73 of 135

    AENG New Member

    Dec 20, 2000
    I really do hope that blindlemon is right in his prediction. But will Joe Public ever understand the facts?

  14. Jun 18, 2006 #74 of 135

    badboyzx6r New Member

    Jan 24, 2002
    :eek: can you believe this?

    MOD EDIT: Links to ads and auctions are not allowed!
  15. Jun 18, 2006 #75 of 135

    katman New Member

    Jun 4, 2002
    East Anglia
    "ITEM RETAILS FOR $500.00 "

    That line set the alarm bell ringing and a quick google for "Humax Tivo" turned up


    Quick look through the specs confirms that it is an NTSC device

    "Content Sources
    Integrated NTSC / Analog Cable Tuner
    External Cable and/or Satellite Set-top Box "

    Seller has several on offer direct from China but I suspect any UK bidder will be sadly disappointed. Would be VERY nice if a PAL version was planned for the UK/Europe though :)
  16. Aug 24, 2006 #76 of 135

    coderus New Member

    Apr 4, 2001
    I'm wondering why don't TiVo just build a universal TiVo model which would be good for all markets, as alot of electronic gadgets seem to deal with varying power voltages (110-240), NTSC or PAL ..etc. Ok I guess simplistic but would then be easy for all to get their hand on their hardware. This would then also remove the need to have a specific manufactor for a region.

    I hope too one day we see TiVo back in the UK for a Series3. I hope Sky cann't stop them.
  17. Aug 24, 2006 #77 of 135

    iankb New Member

    Oct 9, 2000
    Reading, UK
    TiVo don't, and don't want to, do any manufacturing. They just want to license their design to manufacturers, and sell their service to the end-user. Their problem seems to be finding a manufacturer who will create and market a model for them in this country.
  18. Aug 24, 2006 #78 of 135

    hustler New Member

    May 3, 2006
    I don't believe that for a second. As I mentioned before, the US companies who make TiVo boxes also have UK operations. The R & D has already been done on those S2 boxes.
    Here we have TiVo giving away S2 units for free, when those very same units could be easily modded by the manufacturer for a UK market, and then sold at say, £249.
    Every current UK TiVo subber would snap those up in an instant.

    Which is the better business model for manufacturers....giving away the box for free or charging for the box? I believe that the only stumbling block to TiVo re-launching in the UK is TiVo themselves. Who presumably don't want to invest in the upgrading of the software, finding office space and employing TiVo staff.

    /steps off soapbox. :)

    Just noticed on digg, that the S3 info is up.


    I've mischeviously put my name on the mailing list. :D
  19. Aug 25, 2006 #79 of 135

    terryeden TiVo, Tivum, Tiva,

    Nov 2, 2002
    Aside from the fact that TiVo don't make the hardware - there's the issue of different TV standards.

    Series 1 TiVos had to have a specific PAL chip or NTSC chip. Differnt regions use different frequencies for broadcast. Not every area uses Scart or S-video. DTT can use a wide variety of codecs. Phone lines are different throughout the world.

    The power issue is trivial to fix - take a look a PCs. It's the broadcast specific stuff that's the problem.
  20. Aug 25, 2006 #80 of 135

    iankb New Member

    Oct 9, 2000
    Reading, UK
    Everyone's welcome to his view, but I doubt that TiVo would have been at a trade exhibition in this country if they weren't looking to re-open a service here. I do suspect that the biggest stumbling blocks are the licence costs to the manufacturer, the end-user service cost which affects its marketability, who pays for the marketing, and the ability of the manufacturer to support the volume production and long-term commitment that would justify the costs of a new UK operation.

    They've always said that the technical differences between the two services would be relatively-easy to overcome.

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