We're back to the same old debate based on the existing buisness model. If you look at what TiVo are doing in the US these days, they're giving the boxes away for free if you buy a service package, either upfont or monthly. If you buy 3 years upfront the cost 'per month' over that period is very low and there's no box to buy. The current US prices converted roughly to £ (rounding in TiVo's favour) are :- * £9.75/month or £270 prepaid with 3-year commitment * £10.91/month or £212 prepaid with 2-year commitment * £11.49/month or £129 prepaid with 1-year commitment £129 for an 80gb TiVo with all the funky Series 2 features and a year of free service, or £270 for the same machine with 3 years service. That's equivalent to £7.75/month including a free box if you sign up for 3 years and prepay.