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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by sbiller, Aug 24, 2011.
well its about time we see something! what are the chances this new unit will have an OTA tuner? Did I read correctly that Charter cable may get in on a Tivo?
By the back of the unit showed on the video it will not. It has only a sat swm and sat.
Great to see that TiVo has continued to put the brakes on their subscriber losses. Things have actually reversed on the MSO front with a net gain of 10k subscribers. Owned subscriber losses were down a bit but the change is too small to call it a win.
33k sub loss is still a bitter pill. Until that stops they are a going concern IMO.
"...the company seems particularly excited to see the current state of patent warfare going on, trumpeting its 210 issued patents and 389 applications."
Excited, people thought the circus had come to town when the whole department of TiVo lawyers emptied out where the program engineers use to be and were seen doing cartwheels to the bank.
(But its short money)
Since it is based of the HR22 Directv receiver hardware I think I wonder if the AM21 over the air add on tuner would work with this for I know it does with its hardware cousin I guess in the end it will all depend on the Tivo software to support it.
No MRV is a deal breaker. Especially if the DTV DVRs can do it.
Old, sad interface and no MRV. Unbelievable.
Oh no, we suck again! Thanks but no thanks DirecTV...you will not win me over as a potential customer with that POS box.
Well the deal breaker for me is no OTA tuner. Directv would have to make me a VERY sweet deal to get me to switch over. Especialy since I already have a full blown Tivo that does everything I want it to...and more. And as far as the old interface and no MRV and such, I just really have to wonder what impact Directv had on that. Remember...this is all to fulfill an agreement. From Directv's eyes... I have honored that agreement, but there's no way I'll let them have all the Tivo bells and whistles when I'm trying to sell my own DVR. I believe it's just that simple. I think Tivo has had one hand tied behind their back on this one.
My opinion is that TiVo started working on this a long time ago and either did not put sufficient resources into it or just took much, much too long. The hardware platform was current when the deal was signed, but DirecTV moved on. TiVo added a (sort of) new UI to their new boxes but did not apply it to this one, either because the contract didn't provide for it (likely) or TiVo decided not to.
DirecTV doesn't really need this product anymore. If TiVo had delivered on time, things might be different.
Funny how you think the timing is TiVo's fault.
Let's not forget that DirecTV has NEVER been enthusiastic about this new DirecTiVo, and even the short training video is laced with qualifying remarks about how the TiVo either does "the same as DirecTV DVR's" or "won't" or "can't" do what the DirecTV DRV's can, especially the lack of MRV: that one was REALLY stressed on the video. It all seems like a kind of subliminal message being sent to installers who view it. Putting negativity in their minds rather than what may be appealing or compelling about the TiVo product offered by DirecTV, other than "another option."
So, basically the new DirecTiVo is a Series 3 able to access DirecTV. Big Deal! Well, it is a sure sell to TiVo diehards, but not compelling to what subscribers want today: MRV! DirecTiVo based on the Premiere would have been more compelling to subscribers and there is NO GOOD REASON, MRV compatible with DirecTV could not have been achieved. But all this, it seems, was really up to DirecTV, not TiVo.
So, Michael White got what he wanted: a old legacy TiVo to compete with his state of the art MRV DirecTV DVR's. TiVo was shafted on this, but Tom Rogers really couldn't afford to mess things up with DirecTV. One only has to compare the TiVo enhanced products in the UK, as one example, of what could have been achieved with DirecTV, but Direct, IMHO, wasn't interested providing the latest and greatest TiVo has to offer their subscribers.
Too bad TiVo is leaving us retail folks behind.
MFR DATE 05/25/10
I don't know who's to blame, but it's not unreasonable to think that DTV could have bogged TiVo down with constant software/hardware revisions to delay the D-Tivo's release.
Why? Your guess is as good as mine.
Probably not the hardware - we know it's based on the HR22 which has been around for a few years. Yes, there might have been software changes required to keep up with what DirecTV has done with their other boxes. We will probably never know.
We have already seen that they added a free space indicator. That is something TiVo didn't do on the S3 platform because they didn't consider it woth the supposedly substantial effort it would require. The box is supposed to also have all the color button features used with mix channels, weather, sports scores, etc. That would all have been new development for TiVo with nothing prior for them to build on. My guess is that all that UI work on their old rickety UI was partially responsible for the delay. Also the server side stuff for some of that may have come from NDS, who may not have been very helpful to TiVo when they needed information about it. I also think that part of the delay on this project could have been TiVo putting all hands on deck to work the Premiere and starving this project for a while.
So I think there is plenty of blame to go around on both sides.
While that is all pure speculation, I agree that we will probably never really know.
Having had the crippled TiVos of the past that Directv sanctioned..... I'm going to blame Directv for this. I'm sure they had no intention of allowing TiVos box to actually compete with theirs.