TiVo support for IPTV

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  1. Bigg

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    That sounds like Apple, not Comcast. I'd think Comcast would just do it, since they'd have the locals anyway, and they have doing skinny bundles in their own MSO footprint. I'm a little biased by my market, as I can literally walk to the Comcast/Cox dividing line, but even in markets where they don't have an MSO presence, I would think this would make sense.

    I would think that Verizon would just not offer such a thing, as YTTV is OTT. If Comcast's system legally was regulated as OTT on Cox, they'd probably do the same, although the MSOs may have franchise agreements requiring a local tier, versus FiOS that has different franchise agreements.

    True, it would be a bit of a mess. Just saying that they could start doing it if they wanted to.
     
  2. Nov 6, 2019 #342 of 355
    jsherknus

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    Many of the cable providers are moving to IPTV technology anyway. This is why we are seeing all these android apps pop up, like Discovery Go, History Channel, HBO Now. Providers like PSVue, Sling, YouTube TV are 100% IP based.

    Some channels need you to use your cable providers login to access the channel, but others just require you to register (your email address for direct marketing is worth the price of free access to their service).

    Tivo is getting on the bandwagon by making some of those same android apps available, but not in Tivo central, but as a separate apps folder. But this is not ideal. Those channels need to be incorporated into the guide.

    Like it or not, the OTT TV, IPTV model is the future. Oh, and by the way, streaming live TV is not illegal in the US, since Trump rolled back net neutrality. Cable companies are no longer required to monitor or report DRM violations anymore.

    Unfortunately, Cable companies are forced to purchase channels that are dogs, and sell them with a handful of good channels. This is because the content providers require it contractually to pay for channels that lose them money or break even. Until that practice stops, we won't get a true ala carte TV package where you pay by the channel...say 25 to 99 cents a channel.

    Oh, and OTA is dead. The HD antenna transition killed that beast. I know some people will say it's great in urban areas, but still, you don't get any premium channels or other cable networks like Discovery, History, Nick or Disney Channel. You get less than basic cable. Plus $300-500 for an OTA Roamio? That's nuts $500 to watch Crackle on a Tivo when I can do the same thing on a $40 Amazon Firestick. It's insane. If Tivo does not embrace IPTV like Kodi did, they will be done. Their stock is trading at 1999 prices! They have been hemorrhaging money quarterly for years. Or maybe Tivo needs to start their own TV service like Sling to save themselves from bankruptcy.
     
  3. Nov 6, 2019 #343 of 355
    Sparky1234

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    TiVo's demise has been predicted since 1999. LOL.
     
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    gary.buhrmaster

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    A few of the changes regarding ATSC 3.0 was that it would offer the capacity for additional sub-channels, and to be able offer subscription based content capabilities to the broadcasters (so, for example, one of the sub-channels could be an encrypted HBO stream, and you would have to pay $x/mo to decode it in your residence), revitalizing the OTA market space for those that do not want, or can not get, cable TV services. Given the changing desires of the consumers, there are also views that ATSC 3.0 is too little, too late, to keep some broadcasters profitable and relevant. I think the only thing most people agree on is that change is happening, and something will occur.
     
  5. Nov 6, 2019 #345 of 355
    mschnebly

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    I think you need to realize that most OTA folks are NOT using TiVo so your expensive opinion about OTA is wrong. Most OTA watchers don't record at all. It's far from dead.
     
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  6. Nov 7, 2019 #346 of 355
    Sparky1234

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    I would record OTA shows if the process was easier and integrated with my current TiVo lineup.
     
  7. Nov 7, 2019 #347 of 355
    mschnebly

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    I record OTA. I use Channels DVR TV Everywhere to get my integrated guide.
     
  8. Nov 8, 2019 #348 of 355
    Sparky1234

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    I'll look into it. Do you have HomeRun?
     
  9. Nov 8, 2019 #349 of 355
    mschnebly

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    I've got SD Quattros, over time I've gotten 2 now (got refurbs cheap) for 8 tuners but the extra 4 are rarely used. I have streaming YTTV and OTA. The guide blends them together.
     
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    Pokemon_Dad

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    One HD Quatro here too. :) Like @mschnebly I watch and record using Channels DVR. It's a very clean interface and there are apps for web, Fire TV, Apple TV, Android, etc.

    I currently combine OTA with Xfinity Stream (TV Everywhere) in Channels as a test TiVo replacement, with a plan to replace Xfinity with Live TV from YouTube or Hulu for the cable content we'd miss most. For us streaming has mostly replaced Preferred and Premium cable channels anyway.

    One point to consider though is that OTA and streaming have surround sound like cable, but IPTV like TV Everywhere and YouTube are stereo only at this time. We've been discussing this stuff over on the TiVo Alternatives thread.
     
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    NashGuy

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    I'm pretty sure that most (all?) channels that offer DD5.1 audio are now available in that format through AT&T TV Now (what used to be called DirecTV Now). Although I don't think that would help you in your situation, where you're using Channels, which I think just logs into each cable network's website to fetch streams, not into the website of the vMVPD (e.g. YTTV, AT&T TV Now, etc.).
     
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    Pokemon_Dad

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    Yes I think that's the problem: Channels accesses those streams via the web. Thanks for the reminder. Not a big problem now, as we're only truly concerned with losing national news channels if we go entirely to OTA and streaming, and stereo is good enough for those. But I do hope someone finds a better way, as the streaming services' cloud DVRs seem quite limited.
     
  13. Nov 8, 2019 #353 of 355
    NashGuy

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    We'll have to wait and see what AT&T TV (the "premium" flagship counterpart to AT&T TV Now) looks like when it rolls out nationwide in the coming weeks/months. At least in its current incarnation in the pilot test markets, it offers a 500-hour cloud DVR with a 90-day auto-expiration period. But AT&T has said that they intend to incorporate feedback from the pilot deployment, so who knows what the final thing will look like, or how much it will cost (although the CEO keeps saying that it will be less than their legacy DirecTV satellite service).
     
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  14. Nov 8, 2019 #354 of 355
    Pokemon_Dad

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    Some of those cloud DVRs swap in VOD for shows you've recorded, which makes it difficult to skip commercials, which makes it not at all a TiVo replacement. Looking forward to a report on AT&T TV.
     
  15. Nov 9, 2019 #355 of 355
    NashGuy

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    From what I can gather, DirecTV Now/AT&T TV Now has never done that with their cloud DVR. (And I can confirm that I never saw recordings replaced with VOD when I was a beta tester of their cloud DVR in early 2018.) I'll be a little surprised if they start doing that, especially on the higher-end AT&T TV, given that they want to position it as a replacement for both Uverse TV and DirecTV. (They plan to immediately stop selling Uverse TV as soon as AT&T TV rolls out, and have already done so in the AT&T TV test markets like St. Louis.)
     

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