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TiVo Stream FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by Dan203, Aug 28, 2013.

  1. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    The transcoding chip used in the Bolt can only do two streams at a time. Where do you see that it says it can do four?
     
  2. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    The comparison table 3/4ths of the way down the page indicates "4 streaming sessions," with the comparison table immediately followed by a big, final header...
    "The TiVo BOLT™ brings you this extraordinary mobile experience... and so much more."
     
  3. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    Web page has been confirmed as inaccurate, per Twitter DM from Ira Bahr:
     
  4. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    An update to this "TiVo Stream" FAQ might be worthwhile, now that out-of-home streaming is available for the BOLT (well, since June), but especially given the BOLT's and BOLT+'s more limited mobile streaming capabilities: 2 mobile streams max, and only 1 OOH.

    Per footnotes in both of the following TiVo releases:
    It'd also be good to know how this contrasts with the standalone TiVo Stream. That is, can the Stream do 4 OOH streams or does it have a similar "less than in-home" restriction?
     
  5. Dancar

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    Are we going to get the ability to stream to a Windows computer located outside the home, specifically from the bolt? I'd like to have a picture larger than my Android phone when staying at hotels.
     
  6. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Thank you very much to Dan for the FAQ. After reading it, I still have some questions about what is and isn't allowed, specifically with CCI protected content. The FAQ uses the terms "protected" and "unprotected", which I presume means CCI, but I just want to make sure.

    Let me give a little background. I currently have a Tivo HD and am considering an upgrade to a Roamio Pro or Bolt. The streaming and downloading capabilities of the newer boxes are one of the key things that interests me. I would like to be able to stream recorded non-premium programs to Fire TV devices within the home, and also to download them to Android devices for offline viewing away from home. My programming source is Cox cable, who unfortunately has CCI "copy once" protection on almost all channels, so TTG transfers and MRV are not allowed.

    Here's my understanding from the FAQ, and a few things that are unclear. I'd appreciate if someone can confirm or deny this.

    CCI protected content . . .
    - can be streamed within the home
    - cannot be streamed outside the home
    - can be downloaded to iOS devices for viewing outside the home (must be deleted from Tivo?)
    - cannot be downloaded to Android devices for viewing outside the home?

    And lastly, it is true that downloaded recordings cannot be viewed without Internet access? If yes, does this apply to all programs or only protected programs?

    Thanks!
     
  8. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Protected recordings can be streamed inside the home. They cannot be streamed outside the home. The can be downloaded to iOS using a special mode which deletes the original from the TiVo before it can be played on the device. I believe that they've since added this feature to Android too but I don't use Android so can't confirm. If you lose internet access you can still watch shows downloaded to the device itself. There is a button that allows you to skip the log on screen.
     
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  9. Steve

    Steve TiVowner since 1999

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    RE: protected content, I can't stream It's Always Sunny... or Top Chef while OOH. Works fine in-home. Think that's FX/Bravo's doing, or a problem with the Rovi data for my area?
     
  10. Steve

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    If I'm in airplane mode on my iPhone, I can watch a download of Big Bang Theory, but not It's Always Sunny, so looks like the CCI bit setting applies off-line as well. Seems unfair, since I had to delete if from the Bolt in order to copy it to my iPhone.

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  11. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Interesting. Never tried that.
     
  12. Steve

    Steve TiVowner since 1999

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    I alerted Margret, in case it's a bug.

    That said, still hoping these shows are being incorrectly flagged by Rovi in the first place.
     
  13. Steve

    Steve TiVowner since 1999

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    Just to follow up, I'm now able to watch a previously unviewable show this morning in airplane mode, but not a new episode of IASIP. Margret's folks think it's a problem with the confirmation that the transferred show's been deleted from the host. Hopefully they can tweak that handshake so the permissions can be updated the moment the copy is complete.
     
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  14. tlc

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    Is it still correct that
    • the bolt streamer can only do 2 mobile streams (1 OOH), and
    • we're not positive that a standalone stream can be leveraged to watch a show on a bolt?
    No one has dis/proved the latter by running 3 mobile streams (or 2 OOH) from a bolt?
     
  15. gbenrus25

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    Hey guys, I have a few questions about CCI...

    First off, are you aware if it's really just TiVo that respects CCI restrictions? I used to have Comcast and can't remember being unable to watch any of my recorded shows on my phone while away from home. I used to record Fox Sports 1 all the time and could always watch it out of home using Xfinity Stream. I switched to FiOS and TiVo and now, can't stream or download shows on copy protected channels out of home.

    2. Does anyone know if I can get Verizon multi room DVR and be able to record and watch Fox Sports 1 recordings out of homer? Essentially, I'm wondering if it's only TiVo that respects these flags

    3. My understanding of copy once is copy once. If that's the case, streaming isn't really copying (fine, it's downloading to your phone but it's not saving permanently which is what I'll consider copying to be). If that's the case, why does TiVo block streaming out of home? Don't they encrypt the show while streaming (similar to Spotify) so doesn't that even make their argument stronger that it isn't copying? Are they just being extra careful (at the detriment of us users) to ensure they don't get sued)?

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