TiVo Stream 4K versus Fire Stick 4K

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream 4K' started by moyekj, May 17, 2020.

  1. aaronwt

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    For me, it's rare I actually use the play, pause, rewind, and fast forward buttons with the streaming apps with most of my streamers. SInce I can do all that from the D-Pad.
    And with the Stream 4K it's also the same with most apps. So the Stream 4K D-Pad worked fine for transports controls in my use..
     
  2. SugarBowl

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    My firestick is pretty slow. The TiVo stream is much more snappy than my firestick.

    Here are the differences i've noticed.

    Firestick
    - No Nest app. Can view 1 camera with alexa voice commands, but it closes the stream after about 10 minutes. (same with Ring)
    - HDHomerun app can't play copy protected channels
    - Slingbox app is available, but not very good.

    Tivo Stream
    - Nest app to view 1 or 4 nest cameras on the screen at same time, indefinately.
    - HDHomerun app will play copy protected channels
    - Chromecast support
    - no slingbox app

    Roku Ultra
    - Spectrum app for watching cable channels and on demand (with Spectrum )
    - No Nest or Ring video support
    - no hdhomerun app
    - ethernet support
     
  3. siratfus

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    I've been using the fire products since they came out, any new generation, I get it. You'll find out there are pros and cons with anything. Because I'm a prime member, the Amazon-centric Home doesn't bother me. But after getting the Nvidia Shield Pro, I'm realizing I like Android TV much better. So I knew what to expect when I got the Stream 4k. It's all on how you organize your Android TV home. That "RECENT" you're talking about, it would be on home if you set Prime as one of your rows. I have Netflix, Prime, Disney, Plex, etc., as my rows. Once you start playing media, they will show up in your rows where you get to "continue" watching. In the Tivo Stream app, there is a Recently Watch row as well. Reelgood App sounds nice, but through the years, I've been that, done that. Some of them are fly by night companies and will vanish on you, that's a con with Fire TV is if you depend on 3rd party apps for features. An Amazon update could cause this or that function of the 3rd party app to break, and it would depend on if the developer keeps up with Amazon.

    Don't let the Tivo Stream app fool you. The Android Home interface is where you should focus your attention. The Tivo 4k doesn't even boot into Tivo Stream, it boots into Android TV. The Tivo remote even has the Android TV home button, as well as the Tivo Stream home button. The Tivo Stream is just an app that you need to launch like any other app. I think it's pretty nifty, and I like how it aggregates the searches for Netflix, Prime and Disney for me. The 3 services we pay for happens to be supported by that app, so I guess I would like it more than others. I use the Tivo Stream app to browse most of all. Until they're able to sync the watchlists, I still prefer to save my movies in the actual apps, and getting to the actual apps and continue a movie is pretty seamless if you take time to organize your Android TV home.

    Then again, It's like I've been looking at a green wall for 7 years now, so this new fresh coat of red paint is making me giddy. LOL! But believe me, it's all user needs and habits. What is better than others in this streaming gadget world is absolutely subjective.
     
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  4. moyekj

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    I don't mind the Android TV UI, that portion is fine. But lack of dedicated buttons for rew/play/ff and the fact that the main video apps I use work much better with Fire TV is what really sells it for me. The transport controls using the TS4K remote are just too clunky for me. Also the TiVo Stream database is full of holes to where it is essentially useless to me. You are better off just going directly into the video app rather than through the TiVo interface.
     
  5. siratfus

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    But those buttons are redundant. I think that's why the Tivo has so many features on their remote. I never use the those play buttons on the fire stick. The directional pad serves the same purpose. Tapping left or right to rewind or speed up, hold it down to speed up really fast. Hit the center select is the same as pause. So my fingers are used to doing that, so it was seamless for me with the tivo remote. You might be surprise how often you'll use the directional pad instead of the dedicated buttons because your thumb can feel for it faster. In any case, again, I've been looking at a green wall for 7 years. LOL!
     
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  6. moyekj

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    Strongly disagree. The directional pad was practically useless for the Prime video playback. With the AndroidTV/TS4K app you have to press up or down and then scroll around to choose what action to perform. So even a simple pause/play is at least 2 presses. Plus you don't have option at all for 10 sec skip back/forward, and the rew/ff is very crude compared to that on FireTV which you can use left/right hold down on the pad for precision, or the dedicated rew/ff buttons for more crude. On AndroidTV you only get the crude rew/ff and no dedicated buttons to get you there. Also, on FireTV I can use Alexa to skip xx seconds or minutes backwards or forwards easily which I don't believe you can do with Android TV app. So at least for Prime Video app, the FireTV is hugely improved compared to the AndroidTV app. That's not a knock on AndroidTV hardware, but a much inferior app available on that platform.
     
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  7. siratfus

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    You're right, I just checked my Tivo Stream. I was testing Plex app before. With Prime, it drops down a menu and so you have to do further clicking. With Netflix, it'll actually show thumbnails. If they give all the apps the Netflix treatment, I'd be happy. I mainly use my Caavo universal remote, so I wasn't aware of the various different app behaviors. I hope they use one formula for all the apps, but that's probably hoping for too much.
     
  8. Ed Starfire

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    I was a longtime TiVo customer, I dumped cable 6 months ago. I've been using Fire TV Stick, I was looking forward to trying out the TS4K as my wife misses her peanut remote. I spent the past week kicking the tires on the TS4K, I'm not sold on using it as my daily driver. No OTA solution is a critical flaw IMO; the new mini-peanut remote is a Frankenstein of the legacy TiVo peanut crossed with a modern streamer remote & the results are ugly. The TiVo content aggregation software seems to be roughly equivalent to ReelGood or JustWatch, I don't see the advantage of using TiVo's dongle & remote.
    I switched back to the FireTV Stick, for $50 I'll keep the TS4K, but its going on my pile of unused tech hardware. Nice try TiVo, but I think it was a swing & a miss.
     
  9. moyekj

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    Even TiVo's content aggregation part is screwed up. There's too many holes in TiVo streaming metadata compared to relative newcomers Reelgood or Justwatch (which is just plain embarrassing for TiVo), and on AndroidTV they can't even launch properly into Prime Video titles, so it's a complete fail for aggregation of streaming services.
     
  10. pl1

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    What I do to change inputs with the Firestick 4K is to say "HDMI 1" or "HDMI 2" and it changes the input for me.
     
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  11. moyekj

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    Interesting, is that using CEC or something else? Because TV I'm using doesn't support CEC.
     
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    I'm not sure. I think it is through HDMI. I have a Samsung 4K with CEC set to off and it works. I have an Insignia Fire TV as well as a Toshiba Fire TV, and it works. Lastly, I have a real cheap Insignia TV and it works.
     
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  13. moyekj

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    I have Insignia TV and you're right, it works! I also just discovered that Insignia actually has a "Inlink" setting which is off by default, but you can turn it on and then when I press a button on FireTV remote it will automatically switch the TV input to it via CEC. Not sure I like that but nice to know the option is there. Even with CEC off on the TV though the input switching works just as you described. Very nice, thanks!
     
  14. pl1

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    You will notice in the FIRE STICK 4K settings that there are all sorts of settings for controlling your TV. They have really done a good job of updating their devices. I actually prefer it over the Samsung built in support.
     
  15. moyekj

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    Thanks for the info. Looks like another huge advantage of Fire stick versus TS4K which I'll add to my OP.
     
  16. trip1eX

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    Yeah if are heavy into Prime and want Alexa...then FireTV is a no-brainer.

    I'm not a believer in the 1 UI dream for streaming. I could change my mind in the future. But with few streaming apps I have no problem switching between apps. Also in the streaming world, content is on-demand and I don't have to keep track of storage space and there is always stuff to watch. So I don't have to watch 1 show from each of 10 streaming services every day.

    It just works differently for me with streaming so far. I'll go on Netflix and watch stuff. Then maybe I go on HBO and get into a series there. Maybe I will be, 'well Showtime has this and that series and/or season and why not get that and watch that for awhile. ' Then I'm over it. And then I move back to Netflix or something else. I even have Prime and well I haven't even touched the content there much if at all.

    And then I find the aggregator stuff lacking anyway. ARe they showing all the content the service has? I doubt it. PLus it's still launching the app. Maybe you even have to click on the proper account still. A lot of stuff I come across on a service like Netflix is by browsing. So I don't trust the aggregator to really give me any more than the 'top 10 list' of each service.

    If I know the show already, I know what service it is on generally. Maybe a few older shows can switch providers (streaming services) once in awhile and I forget. But otherwise I know. And if there is some show I hear about somewhere and forget every detail but the name, I can google what service it is on if I really need to.

    And then I mean what's the limit on how many different shows you can see on your UI at once anyway before it bogs down into more a mess? I mean you can get such a long list that it doesn't really feel like it is any more of a benefit compared to just switching between a few services. ...
     
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  17. mrizzo80

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    What is the “one UI” I see mentioned in various threads? I don’t think that will ever happen. The closest you’ll get is subscribing to various Amazon Channels or (maybe?) the Apple TV has a similar version of that.

    These companies don’t seem to want to give up customers interfacing with their apps. It would be nice if they would provide a common video control API (queue the xkcd 14/15 competing standards meme) and just stream the bits to a great video player for any service we subscribe to.
     
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    Fire OS does great with Prime content in the “continue” strip. And their native video player is pretty nice as well. If the continue strip worked with other providers I would not be playing around with the new TiVo device. ReelGood does a pretty great job in that regard, though.

    I don’t understand why Amazon never iterated on that concept. It’s not rocket science that people want to have a “recently played” list that they can click once to continue watching a given show, regardless of what provider it’s on. I’d love an explanation from product managers on this.

    I’ll probably throw my Firestick 4K on the bedroom TV and load up ReelGood on it and just use both OSs for a while.
     
  19. jimpmc

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    For me, Reelgood has been the conduit for WAF (wife acceptance factor). Having had a Roku, Nexus Player for years, then a Shield, then a Fire Stick 4k, then a TiVo Stream 4k + Samsung's built-in apps, the family did not want to use them as it was more confusing to do different things on different machines. Finally, I got them to use Reelgood -- it makes the actual device fairly transparent -- they get to just see the same basic UI on all devices with their curated list and for the most part directly link into the actual app to watch the program. And it was actually remapping the TiVo button that helped that as my wife was used to pressing the TiVo button to get to the main screen.
     
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    Oh, if that’s what it is, then yes, I totally get that.

    I thought “one UI” was for people wanting to get all content in one single video playing app and not get bounced around to Netflix, Hulu, AP, etc.

    And kudos to whoever I originally read here talk about that Button Mapper app. I did the same thing - my TiVo remote control button opens up ReelGood too.
     

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