TiVo Stream 4k is NOW AVAILABLE

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  1. jakep_82

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    It does switch into Dolby Vision or HDR mode which is the entire problem. On a modern UHD HDR display that is reasonably well calibrated, SDR content will not look good when displayed on a TV in DV or HDR mode. The image is much too bright which destroys details in bright areas and makes the image harsh to view, and the colors are also way off. Doing a back to back comparison of the same content viewed on my Fire Stick 4K which properly switches modes to the Stream which does not, the difference is significant. SDR content looks dramatically better on the Fire Stick.
     
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  2. BillyClyde

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    Hmmmm, I don’t see the same thing here. All I ever had to adjust was maybe contrast a little, but that’s a simple thing to do on the fly. After I do this it looks awesome with what Dolby does to the signal!
     
  3. jakep_82

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    Have you watched any actual Dolby Vision content? If I adjust the picture settings to make SDR content look okay, then actual DV content looks terrible. I'm not willing to mess around in video settings every time I want to watch DV content. Again it's great that you like the way it looks, but for an awful lot of people it's a dealbreaker as I'm sure you've seen by all the complaints on this board and elsewhere. I'm not sending mine back in the hopes that Tivo fixes it, but it won't be connected to my TV again unless a firmware update is released.
     
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  4. cwoody222

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    Can someone share some pics of what this bad DV, always on HDR problem looks like?

    I’m also not seeing it.

    I do care about my picture but I guess I’m not SUPER picky.

    I don’t see the washes out colors or anything and my non-HDR stuff on the Stream looks fine to me.

    I’m just curious what others are seeing.
     
  5. BillyClyde

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    I use my calibrated DV input on my OLED that I’ve used in the past to watch DV content like Lost in Space, See, The Morning Show, etc. Now I watched many channels from Channels DVR and they’ve appeared normal and actually look better than when I watch it in SDR.

    I don’t normally watch DV content in my living room though now. I now watch it in my theater on my projector now that I’ve tried the new Dolby Vision LLDV trick I’ve been reading about the last few weeks. It also looks much better there now too.

    All I am saying is, even if you have to tweak the contrast a little or whatever, once you see what Dolby Vision processing can really do to the regular standard def signal once it is set right, I think you would also feel it’s worth the little to no effort.
     
  6. jakep_82

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    You have a fundamental misunderstanding of Dolby Vision. It's not an enhancement meant to be applied to any video. Please stop trying to convince me that I should like the Stream's broken implementation of dynamic range settings. SDR content does not look good to me on my TV when viewed with the Stream. Period.
     
  7. BillyClyde

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    Oh believe me, I understand fully. Have a great day.
     
  8. Bierboy

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    In my experience not NEARLY as bad as this fiasco is.
     
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  9. aaronwt

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    You shouldn't need to adjust anything, that would be a PiTA to be constantly adjusting the contrast. Its why you have settings specific to SDR and HDR content. So you don't need to be constantly changing the settings.when you switch between SDR, HDR10, HLG, and Dolby Vision content. My TV has settings specific to each of those four formats.

    The last thing I want to do is to have to adjust something everytime I start watching something with a different dynamic range. Because each day I am watching multiple things with at least three of those formats.
    Sent from my Tab A 8.0
     
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  10. BillyClyde

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    Picking up your remote and clicking contrast by a few clicks is hardly a tough task, especially for the image benefits it presents. It’s barely more steps than switching inputs. How lazy can people get now, sheesh.
     
  11. osu1991

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    I unplugged the TS4K last night. The last few days YouTube video was freezing while the audio continued playing. Plex/Emby were still having problems on it too. Just too much aggravation, when all I want to do is watch something trouble free.

    If they update it sometime in the next 6 months, I’ll give it another go, but now the old reliable 4K Fire Stick is back in action and things are right again in the streaming device world.
     
  12. jakep_82

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    My wife would throw the Stream in the trash if I told her she had to learn how to dig through picture setting menus to watch her shows without me. For reference, she thought it looked terrible too.
     
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  13. BillyClyde

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    Well for reference I don’t actually have to change anything either. The only exception has been going from some streaming based shows to something like SD blurays and back again, but I had to do that before anyway, even when things would auto switch and each was in SDR 709. The differences were the specs from each source video, not whether it was SDR or HDR. It’s not like it was totally unwatchable as is being made out, it was just to get it even better was why.

    I honestly believe something isn’t set right for it to be as bad as you and others are making it out to be. And I don’t mean in an obvious way. I mean looking at the settings it seems right as it should, but as I discovered, it didn’t become right until AFTER I disabled Dolby Vision as the forced mode and made it HDR forced instead. It was only then that the colors, brightness, etc. snapped into place and looked good.

    idk, it really doesn’t matter. Just do what you guys feel you must. It’s your money and equipment after all and your personal enjoyment of that is all that matters so even if it’s the best looking video ever created, if you yourself don’t like it, then that’s all, end of story.

    Maybe instead of saying “it’s the worst ever”, possibly pushing away potential buyers who would like it, you can say something like “I don’t like what it does and how it looks, but you might”? There’s got to be a reason why TiVo and other sources like Sony UHD BDs force it on, if nothing else because they know it’s superior, when set right. Dolby Vision processing is known the world over as the best processing for HDR and I am sure they know what they’re doing, even when converting SD to HDR. As I said though, it should always be a choice and that’s the very best option of course.

    Be safe everyone! I’m out of this one now.
     
  14. Bierboy

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    But you're still missing the point; you shouldn't HAVE to do that. It's ridiculous.
     
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  15. BillyClyde

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    I’m not missing any point. It’s not ridiculous when you can see the quality you can get by doing so. I guess I am in the minority as someone that is willing to work a little to get the best I can.

    Let’s just all agree to disagree please. It’s obvious none of us will change our minds.
     
  16. cybergrimes

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    You're the only one arguing that it looks right though, so, like you said "I’m out of this one now."
     
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    I agree that if it works for you and you’re comfortable with it it’s absolutely fine. Personally if I tried to adjust the TV every time I watched it, my wife would simply leave the room and go watch TV on some other television. I am perfectly happy adjusting the TV for 10 or 15 minutes before I watch a show but it would drive my wife’s nuts
     
  18. mdavej

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    Problem with all of this is no amount of adjustments will truly fix the picture. HDR Tone Mapping is the best band aid at the moment, if your TV has such a setting. But the always on HDR bug has to be fixed by the developer. If AT&T TV is indication, it must be pretty hard, if not impossible to fix. Their Android TV box has had the HDR bug for over 3 years now. But their is a glimmer of hope since Nvidia Shield was able to fix theirs. However that may have required new hardware.

    If it doesn't bother you, either your TV is masking it well enough or you are blind. The problem still exists and needs to be fixed.
     
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    ??? I hit one button and all my HDMI switches change to the correct input, the device turns on, the Receiver turns on and switches to the correct input and the TV turns on switches to the correct input. That's been the way for me for more than a decade in my setups. I currently use Harmony remotes with Harmony hubs to accomplish this. Otherwise I would need a crazy number of remotes since my two UHD setups have at least fifteen devices in each.

    Why would I want to go into the picture settings everytime I start watching something? It has nothing to do with laziness. There should be no need to do it. And there isn't with all the other UHD devices I own. But they properly switch between the different dynamic ranges.

    The Sony UHD BD players are the only Dolby Vision players that force DV on the user. It has to do with the way Sony initially half assed their DV. It's also the entire reason I did not upgrade my Sony x800(HDR10 & HLG) to an X800M2(DV, HDR10, HLG). I got a Philips one instead. .

    I only wish I had not sold my Oppo UHD BD player a few years ago. Of course they don't force DV on you. And neither does the Panasonic UHD BD players. And they are both a step or two above the Sony UHD BD players.
     
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  20. cybergrimes

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    Did you get a good price for it? I've noticed lately it's got quite the price tag on it. Not sure what's comparable, considered selling mine a few times...
     

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