TiVo Stream 4k is NOW AVAILABLE

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream 4K' started by cwoody222, May 6, 2020.

  1. BillyClyde

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    I understand what he asked, and I answered his question. I said “No”, and then explained what I was talking about which prompted his question.

    I haven’t used the developer options.

    Either way, I don’t experience the issues you’re mentioning of it being too bright or any other anomaly. It seems to map the SDR signal into HDR/Dolby Vision nicely for me. Dolby is definitely the better of the two though, when watching on my OLED.
     
  2. aaronwt

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    YEs. An OLED can't get that bright in the menus because of the Auto Brightness Limiter. So full screen it would be much, much closer to the brightness that SDr would be than an LCD Tv is capable of. So full screen the OLED can't get much higher than 140 nits because of the ABL. Which is close to the 100 nits of SDR. While a TV like a 2018 TCL 6 Series can be almost six times as bright in that same situation. Around 670 nits. Which for me, is way, way too bright for menus.

    I know when I've viewed OLED sets at friends houses the only way I can do it is in a completely dark room. Otherwise if there is light in the room or light from a window etc. the OLED looks too dim with HDR.
     
  3. mobilelawyer

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    Lon was harsh, but his reviews are written for a general technical audience, not TiVo-centric people like you will find in these threads. He is also very game-centric and always mentions gaming features with every product. I doubt many folks on these threads would ever give a moments thought to using the Stream 4K as a gaming device.

    The elephant in the room is that the Stream 4K is a promising but clearly unfinished product. The plethora of technical issues discussed daily in these forums would never been seen or read by the typical off the shelf purchaser. They would simply return the product for a refund, which I am sure many did. Randomly cutting your TV on and off is a colossal blunder that needs to be fixed with a software revision, and TiVo needs to transparently address that and the HDR issues immediately. If they don't, there will be much more trouble down the road.
     
  4. powrcow

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    It honestly feels like most consumer technology these days. Product X that came before had these problems and our new release fixes one of those problems, yet introduces several new things you didn't know could be problems.

    They provided a remote! But the Stream 4k doesn't play well with HDMI CEC and you can't easily program the IR portion of the remote.

    We'll aggregate your streaming content! But we won't do it the way TiVos have done it in the past.
     
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  5. BillyClyde

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    It also looks good on my projector, but of course you’ll say that is also a dim display. While the display may be bright, that doesn’t mean the video signal itself is. Display brightness can be tamed is all I’m saying, meaning like I said, a calibration.

    It looks quite amazing on my displays, so I guess we will agree to disagree. Although as I said, I definitely agree the user should have the choice.
     
  6. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Yes a projector is dim in a bright room. You have always needed a light controlled environment with a projector.
    Yes brightness can be tamed. But the picture is calibrated for actual HDr content, not fake HDr and menus. The menus are easily too bright for me but the fake HDR from SDr content is even brighter. If I were to calibrate for how the fake HDR looks, then real HDR would be way off. Which is why TVs are calibrated for SDr, HDr10, and DOlby Vision. Since the settings are going to be different for each content.
     
  7. jakep_82

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    I'm brand new to OLED and HDR having just purchased an LG CX this past weekend (upgrading from a 2009 Panasonic plasma), but this was not my experience. Fresh out of the box before messing with video modes I started a 4K HDR video from Amazon, and my wife and I both had to literally shield our eyes because it was like staring into the sun. I had to switch to a cinema mode with warmer colors and lower light output to make it comfortable to watch. I can't comment on the Stream just yet because mine arrives tomorrow, but I fully expect to put it back in the box after testing it based on what I've read here and elsewhere. I won't be sending it back though because I believe that either Tivo or the hacker community will eventually fix it, and I'm willing to risk $50 on that possibility.
     
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  8. bareyb

    bareyb Under Maintenance TCF Club

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    Can you watch recordings from your other TiVo boxes with this or is it strictly for streaming like an Apple TV?
     
  9. siratfus

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    Hehe... everyone wants this. Tivo is either being stingy, in a hurry to get to market, or purposely not including it to not make the existing hardware obsolete? I dunno. But yeah, it's just like an Apple TV, Fire TV, Roku, etc.
     
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  10. bareyb

    bareyb Under Maintenance TCF Club

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    I was thinking of getting one for my Garage/Home gym I'm setting up, but I already have an Apple TV out there so not sure it would add much to what I already have. If it could access my TiVo box I'd probably have gone for it.
     
  11. leiff

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    Heres hoping they have an update That fixes things before my return window or ...
     
  12. Pokemon_Dad

    Pokemon_Dad Ruler of Unown UI

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    They are purposely not including it, so they can focus on streaming. We are currently nothing but a "distraction".
     
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  13. BillyClyde

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    I know what calibrating is and as I’ve said many times, this isn’t my experience so I guess we will agree to disagree. The only thing I’ve had to touch a little is contrast and it’s been worth it.
     
  14. mschnebly

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    The brightness was the first thing I noticed on these. It really is brutal.
     
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  15. jakep_82

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    I got my Stream yesterday, and for me it's unusable on our new OLED (LG CX). I switched between DV and the other HDR mode, but menus and SDR content looks awful. It's way too bright and washed out. I could adjust my HDR picture settings to make it look better, but then any real HDR content would look awful. I'm tossing it in a drawer for now in the hopes that Tivo fixes it, but I won't hold my breath.
     
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  16. leiff

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    Did anyone buy this for A1080PTV? That's what I'm using it on so the fixed HDR stuff doesn't bother me but I could save a lot of money by buying a firestick I guess And returning this
     
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  17. BillyClyde

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    Go into the display settings on the TS4K and switch from using Dolby Vision as priority to using HDR as priority. Dolby Vision is broken on this device, just as it is on their Edge DVR.
     
  18. jakep_82

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    I did. It looks just as bad because it's still forcing HDR for menus and SDR content. If it looks okay on your TV, then that's great for you, but it's unusable on my TV.
     
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  19. Noelmel

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    I got this for an older extra tv in the bedroom. It’s 1080p. Looks fine to me. I have a new Roku tv in living room that’s 4K. So I noticed the diff but I admit I have no idea what all this HDR / Dolby stuff even is


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  20. BillyClyde

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    OK fair enough, but what I don’t understand from everyone complaining about this is that if it forces HDR/Dolby Vision, then your TV should also switch into that HDR/Dolby Vision mode, making it appear correct. This is what happens for me, so I don’t know why it’s not for everyone else.

    Isn’t your TV switching into its HDR mode?
     

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