TiVo stops working after every power outage

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  1. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    It shouldn't draw much power. I know my Onkyo 656 connected to a UPS doesn't draw very much. Maybe if I ran it at references levels it would draw a lot more? But then it would also be extremely loud. And it's already very loud at levels far below reference.
     
  2. cwerdna

    cwerdna Proud Tivolutionary

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    None of my TiVos have ever died. This spans 2 Series 1's, a Series 2 SA , Series 2 DirecTiVo, TiVo HD and now Bolt+. I started with TiVos back in 2001 with a Series 1 Sony. I've been using UPSes with my TiVos for ages.

    Did you at least have it on a quality surge protector?

    Ages ago (sometime between 1998 and 2004), I had a power outage at my former apartment and my microwave oven wasn't on a surge protector. After power came back, the display was messed up and unreadable. You can barely make out what digits it's trying to display. The microwave still works (it's my only one) and the display's still messed up.

    I now put all electronics of any value on a surge protector.
     
  3. aspexil

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    We live in Indianapolis. As such power here is incredibly unreliable. Brown outs are common. Power outages at least twice a year for >4 hours. But our Tivo Bolt has been powering on since Oct 2015 here. I did have it on an UPS for a year because of all the dead Bolt reports but gave up on that when the battery died. Not sure why we are so lucky with our Bolt.
     
  4. boulderskies

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    i've followed this thread with interest as we live in a rural area that experiences an average of two or three power outtages every winter. i have a back-up generator but it requires manual startup/cutover.

    so, for those of you with a UPS, what's the advantage? does it allow what we used to call a graceful shutdown? or just give you a chance to turn off devices before the UPS shuts them off?

    Thank you, Scott
     
  5. JoeKustra

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    I have all my stuff on a UPS. Most will run for 30 minutes or more if I am home to turn off the TV and AVR. If I am not home they are off anyway.

    A few weeks ago during a bad windstorm, I had 6 outages within 15 seconds. No problem. Only my LaserJet and sub-woofer are not on a UPS.

    A 1500W UPS powers my modem, router, and one Roamio and its TV. Runtime without power is about 2 hours.
     
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  6. longrider

    longrider Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    As Joe stated, the bigger advantage is when the power is flickering a UPS is worth its weight in gold. Regarding graceful shutdowns, that is only for PCs connected to the UPS. Anything else will just lose power when the batteries run out. If sized correctly it will last long enough for you to start your backup generator but one thing to be aware of powering a UPS with a generator is that the UPS can get very unhappy with frequency drift. A higher end inverter based portable resolves that issue and the bigger permanent backup units can hold frequency fairly well.
     
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  7. cwerdna

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    Yep. It's not like (unless I missed it) that there's any UI on TiVos for a "proper"/graceful shutdown. So, power to TiVo will be lost either when the batteries on the UPS die or you turn off the UPS itself.

    Long ago, back in the Series 1 days, the TiVo CTO (IIRC) gave a talk at UC Berkeley and mentioned that the engineers wanted to put on a power button or some sort of shut down. His answer was no, it's a consumer device and something along the lines of: It must be able tolerate power outages or the plug being pulled.
     
  8. boulderskies

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    The "graceful shutdown" is a term, a hold-over from my days in network support and used only as an example of what a UPS can offer.

    I dont think sudden shutdowns are good for electronic devices but thankfully most can tolerate them these days I guess. For what its worth, which is nothing, I disagree with the CTO/IIRC;the missing power button has undoubtedly confused many a consumer.

    Anyway, I decided on a Zero Surge surge protector rather than a UPS.
     
  9. aaronwt

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    Considering the cost of Zero Surge products, it seems like a UPS would be a better choice.
    Personally, I've been using UPS's with my electronic devices since the late 90's. So I prefer those since I can keep using all my devices during a power outage.
     
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  10. My Cape is a Recliner

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    I have this problem with my bolt. I have it plugged into a surge protector. What gets me is that if the power goes out, then my TiVo will stop recording until I manually turn it back on, and the TiVo restarts itself. If I turn off the power switch on the surge protector (, for however long), the TiVo will reboot itself by itself, and continue recording without any further interaction.

    As I write this, it occurs to me, that I THINK the tv has to be on (which comes on when I do the surge protector). I wonder if there is a setting I can change.
     
  11. cwerdna

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    I understand, but the TiVo can receive no signal from the user nor UPS that power will be cut and clean up, close files, prepare for shutdown, terminate processes, write stuff that's only in RAM to disk that needs saving, etc.
    Well... most of your electronic devices or I guess all the ones in your household aren't on UPSes. Except for your computers, do you go around turning them off or pressing a power button before cutting their power?

    What about for devices that are left on all the time (by design) when the power goes out unexpectedly? What then?

    TiVo's are supposed to be left on at all times. Back in the Series 1 thru Series 3/Tivo HD (not sure about in between those and Bolt), TiVo was ALWAYS recording (buffering at least on 1 tuner) and always playing back. There wasn't a real "standby" mode nor one where the hard drives could spin down the unit was supplied with power. Given that, what would be the purpose of the "power" button be?
    Weird.
    Holy crap! I'd never even heard of Zero Surge until this thread.

    I took a look at their first plug-in products I found and boy... I can buy at least 3 decent APC UPSes for the price for the price of one of their non-UPS units.

    I hope you can cancel your Zero Surge order. Seriously, a UPS would be a better buy. It'll keep your TiVo up until you plug the UPS into your generator output. (This assumes the generator doesn't put out crap power that the UPS doesn't like.)
     
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  12. boulderskies

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    in making the UPS vs surge protector decision, i had to factor in my specific environment, which is very rural and experiences power outtages at least once a year. i have a standby generator to supply power during those times.

    from there, i had to consider my NEED. my need is NOT to keep devices running; they are not mission critical. my NEED was to PROTECT them. i have no need to keep devices on until i switch to generator power (and even if i had chosen a UPS, the devices would have to OFF for some length of time during the switchover, right?)

    from there, it was how to BEST protect them since i had lost two devices in the past, i think to power issues (i will never know for sure). based on my research, the design of the ZeroSurge was superior to sacrificial models that degrade over time (see: https://zerosurge.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Sound_and_Vision_July2007_Zero_Surge.pdf for comparison designs). finally, COST was important to some of you. consider that the surge protector i selected was $205. i have in the neighborhood of $14k worth of electronics to protect; their personal value to me is much more. to me, it was well worth it.

    i came here for help and some of you actually provided additional insight which i appreciate.

    scott
     
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