Tivo STOP the AD's!!!

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by techie714, Sep 4, 2007.

  1. Sep 8, 2007 #101 of 133
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    Too few for it to impact the decision to impose the need for the queue, and that was my point.
     
  2. Sep 8, 2007 #102 of 133
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    It was unnecessary to put my reply into context.

    That the level of annoyance being discussed isn't a significant factor in the crafting of offerings.
     
  3. Sep 8, 2007 #103 of 133
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    And some people just post attacks on individual posters because they have nothing constructive to add to the actual topic being discussed.
     
  4. Sep 8, 2007 #104 of 133
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    Actually, bicker, in your case, it was essential that you NOT put his words in their correct context, otherwise you would have sounded foolish. It would have read as follows:
    followed by
    which would have been a meaningless statement, because you BOTH SAID THE SAME THING. Instead, you had to take purposely his words out of context, by leaving out the first part of his quote.
     
  5. Sep 8, 2007 #105 of 133
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    You're mistaken. If I have to explain it to you...
     
  6. Sep 8, 2007 #106 of 133
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    Extracting only part of my sentence, and replying to it with the response you typed, made my words convey something different than I originally wrote. Can you comprehend that? If not, please see this post as it clearly explains why you were wrong to use only part of my statement.

    Additionally, it's just good manners to indicate that part of a quote was edited out. It's called an ellipses. After you leave the cable offices for the day, do you moonlight as a proof reader for the National Inquirer?

    You answered:

    Are you agreeing that you also would not cancel your TiVo subscription because of the ads? If that is not what you are saying, would you please tell me, in an intelligible sentence, what you are saying?
     
  7. Sep 8, 2007 #107 of 133
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    Finish your thoughts, or people may misinterpret your post. I'm guessing it went something like this:

    "My brain would explode because even I don't know what I am talking about."
     
  8. Sep 8, 2007 #108 of 133
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    If Tivo got rid of the ads, they would need to generate the revenue lost some other way. That would mean an increase in the price of the service. I would prefer the ads to paying more $ a month.
     
  9. Sep 9, 2007 #109 of 133
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    How about just a parenthetical indication?
     
  10. Sep 9, 2007 #110 of 133
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    I don't think we can establish such an implication. TiVo likely has the advertisements "because they can". They're obligated to make business decisions in the best long-term financial interests of their owners, and that includes anything that is a net-gain long-term, such as advertising. They're not just trying to fill a quota of revenue -- they're trying to maximize it.
     
  11. Sep 9, 2007 #111 of 133
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    Precisely. To think that they would lower subscription rates or not raise them so much if they sold more advertising is naive IMHO. They will both increase advertising -- if they can find people willing to buy it -- if they think it will increase their bottom line while at the same time increase the subscription rates as much as they think they can trying to stay just shy of that critical point that 'breaks the camel's back'.

    If they manage to hit the sweet spot (and make enough money there) they will survive. If they err on either side they'll be gone. The days when they survive just because they have the only game in town are gone.
     
  12. Sep 9, 2007 #112 of 133
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    Your repeated avoidance in answering direct questions, that challenge something you have said, with clear and comprehensive answers, is proof enough for me that you really don't see past your nose. I am satisfied. Thanks :)

    When I read your posts, they make me think of the Billy Joel song Angry Young Man. Good luck to you.
     
  13. Sep 9, 2007 #113 of 133
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    all good points and exactly why the only thing that will stop ads on TiVo DVR is enough cancelling of subs to hurt the bottom line. Anything else is just, well .. complaining :)



    Now I do think that if the ad business hit some tipping point for TiVo then they would consider lowering rates because more market share that is sustainable by TiVo means more ability to direct the market and generate even more revenue oppurtunities

    I do not perceive TiVo as anywhere near such a tipping point however.
     
  14. Sep 9, 2007 #114 of 133
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    Factor in that it's just you I'm making fun of at this point, while I continue to engage in a substantive discussion with others participating in the thread.
     
  15. Sep 9, 2007 #115 of 133
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    Absolutely.

    I have a problem giving it even that much credence. Complaining, to me, has a connotation of justification, foundation, basis... you go to the Complaints Department at a department store to return or exchange merchandise which has (explicitly) failed to live up to reasonable expectations. While the dictionary definition doesn't have such a requirement, it seems to me that it should. "Complaining" without foundation is really just "whining" in my book. YMMV.

    Yes... if by lowering the rates they could sell so many more subscriptions and therefore convert than into substantially higher rates for the advertising they sell... indeed, that could work.

    DVRs would really need to become a much more effective tool for delivering advertisements for that to be the case. To be honest, I cannot think, of a single consumer product/service, except for newspapers and magazines, that has ever reached the point where the profit from advertising was enough to justify a substantial decrease in price for the actual product/service itself. Not movie theaters (before and during the previews), not theme parks (ride/attraction sponsorship), not restaurants (Cheesecake Factory has ads in the menus), etc.
     
  16. Sep 9, 2007 #116 of 133
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    Well there is one thing that complaining -- especially in a public forum -- does accomplish and that is to draw attention to a situation to outsiders. You see it isn't just the subscriptions lost from cancellations that affects the bottom line it's also those not gained in the first place because of negative perceptions held by would-be subscribers -- a much more difficult thing to measure indeed.
     
  17. Sep 9, 2007 #117 of 133
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    Luckily, more and more, these venues are fostering balance. No complaining-without-adequate-foundation (a.k.a. "whining") deserves an un-rebutted soap-box and hopefully, more and more, it won't receive one, and folks will chime in with both substantive rebuttals (arguments to the contrary), and rebuttals just highlighting the weakness of foundation.
     
  18. Sep 9, 2007 #118 of 133
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    Your post illustrates the all too common point of view that because one does not share another's opinion on a subject then that opinion has no validity.

    The fact that you don't feel that ads on TiVo are annoying and cheapen the user's experience by no means invalidates the opinion of those who do. It merely illustrates that different people perceive things differently.....
     
  19. Sep 9, 2007 #119 of 133
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    +!, Well said, Roy. You've hit the nail squarely on the head.
     
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    Your arrogance is greater than your intellect.
     

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